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To: William McKinley
Ah, if only it were so. You'll find that FReepers are, for the most part, an unphilosophical lot. There was a salon of thinkers and dreamers at one time, but most have moved on to other venues.

Nevertheless, I salute your noble project.

5 posted on 10/17/2002 7:33:43 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
I wholeheartedly disagree. I think there is a nice mixture of conservative minds here. Some like to wax philosophically, some like to play in the mud, some like to focus on the politics.

The people I have seen move on were merely those grew frustrated in that the could not make more people think like them and let their own failure drive them away or to self-Freeper-immolation.

6 posted on 10/17/2002 7:53:12 PM PDT by William McKinley
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To: IronJack
Regular Russell Kirk advocate for many years reporting in!

This Principle of Prescription is one of the most important things that Kirk stesses throughout his life. In '92 he is still stressing it in the Politics of Prudence:

"Third, conservatives believe in what may be called the principle of prescription ["that is, of things established by immemorial usage, so that the mind of man runneth not to the contrary"]. Conservatives sense that modern people are dwarfs on the shoulders of giants, able to see farther than their ancestors only because of the great stature of those who have preceded us in time."
It took me some time before I began to appreciate what he was driving at by its prominance.

Presciption was NOT abstract rights!
Prescription IS not abstract rights.

Now why did he say that because from his essays condemning the Woodrow Wilsonian "human rights" clap-trap, we know that he sees rights as adhering only to individuals...almost libertarian (he would dred that) in his rigor.

He and Burke condemned the metaphysical construct. The Rationalist, the nominalist. Seeing the real foundation of society and even the begining of government in Prescriptive right to property, he was loath to subject it to philosophical underpinnings when it was the underpinning of all of civilization and not to be weighted and measured against other "rights",P> Sowell, in A Conflict of Visions explains as well how those of the Constrained Vision see rights as they find them capable of being exercised in a free society, not as abstracts seperated from Order.

Hayek, as well, condemned the Totalitarian Rationalist Democracies that set up Logical and Philisophical schemes to replace the steady, evolutionary order of the ages.

Old Whigs, All!

8 posted on 10/17/2002 7:56:54 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: IronJack
You'll find that FReepers are, for the most part, an unphilosophical lot. There was a salon of thinkers and dreamers at one time, but most have moved on to other venues.

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21 posted on 10/17/2002 8:36:28 PM PDT by cornelis
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