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Cleland should run on record, not Vietnam
AJC ^ | October 20, 2002 | Jim Wooten

Posted on 10/20/2002 1:25:39 PM PDT by RobFromGa

Cleland should run on record, not Vietnam

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Dutifully on the Friday before presidential elections in 2000, U.S. Sen. Max Cleland (D-Ga.) assembled reporters for a conference call with the Democrats' military heroes in the U.S. Senate. Their purpose was to use the status accorded them to defeat George W. Bush -- just as Cleland had used his military service to absolve candidate Bill Clinton of culpability in evading military service.

The Democrats spoke by phone to a veterans rally in Nashville, attempting to generate last-minute stories that would question Bush's National Guard service during the Vietnam War. It partially worked, prompting Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer to declare the attacks "the final throes of a campaign that has now lost any semblance of decency. The governor of course was honorably discharged and these are inventions and fabrications."

It was a cheap campaign tactic that might have been less transparent had Cleland not eight years earlier found no fault with Clinton's evasion of wartime military service -- after Clinton won the party's nomination. Before, as Georgia's secretary of state, he embraced the presidential campaign of U.S. Sen. Bob Kerrey, a Medal of Honor winner in Vietnam -- and sat silently at Kerrey's side as he predicted while campaigning for the Democratic nomination that Clinton could be opened like a "soft peanut" for evading military service.

On this issue, though, whenever the party has called, Cleland has responded obediently, providing cover or condemnation as it served the party's interest. In the U.S. Senate, he has been voting reliably with party elders. Throw a dart, hit the voting record of most any national Senate Democrat, and the odds are overwhelming that Cleland voted accordingly.

On homeland security, Cleland again takes the party line, which is essentially the position of organized labor, one of its key constituencies. The Washington Times reported last week that government employee unions have given $230,000 to Cleland and two other Senate Democrats in close races, all of whom have opposed the president's desire to waive collective bargaining rules to hire, fire and assign workers in the proposed new Department of Homeland Security.

The problem with tit-for-tat campaign commercials is that most everything said can be literally true and massively misleading. Cleland did vote the party line on 11 amendments on homeland security in committee, but in campaign commercials he is "working with President Bush" on security and supported him on Iraq.

Whenever opponent Saxby Chambliss challenged those votes in a television commercial, Cleland brought out fellow veteran John Kerry, the U.S. senator from Massachusetts, to react indignantly. "Garbage," declared Kerry. "Character assassination," declared Cleland.

It's fantasyland. Cleland chose to present himself as having the "courage to lead" in the U.S. Senate, but when his voting record is legitimately challenged, the response is to return voters to Vietnam. When the president came to town last week to take issue with Cleland's voting record on homeland security, the reporter wrote:

"A spokesman for Cleland's campaign said the senator, who lost three limbs in a grenade accident in Vietnam, has long pushed for a homeland security bill."

The connection Cleland strategists insist on making between Vietnam and his voting record in the U.S. Senate, and their attempt to frame every question as an assault on his patriotism, is disingenuous. This ain't about Vi etnam and whether the country should be grateful or whether the Veterans of Foreign Wars should feel kinship. This is about how he votes today.


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: chambliss; cleland; georgia; saxby; senate
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Maybe we have a chance to beat this tired old Socialist and get a GOP senator from Georgia again. Chambliss and Zell Miller would be a great Georgia delegation!


1 posted on 10/20/2002 1:25:40 PM PDT by RobFromGa
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To: RobFromGa
well, from what i've read and understand to be true, he is missing 3 limbs because at one time he was missing a brain...any dummy that would just arbitrarily pick up a grenade because he "thought" it had fallen off his belt, because other grenades had fallen off his belt before...should have been recycled thru basic training and certainly not recycled thru the U.S. Senate.
2 posted on 10/20/2002 1:34:39 PM PDT by cajun-jack
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To: FreedomPoster; AntiJen; Guillermo; viligantcitizen; Phoenix44; "Be not afraid!"; dansangel; ...
Bump for GA Freepers. Please send to others...
3 posted on 10/20/2002 1:37:50 PM PDT by RobFromGa
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To: cajun-jack
From an article in the Boston Globe:

    It takes four seconds for a grenade to explode, Cleland explains during a long car trip across southern Georgia. He's home during a Senate recess, thanking the voters for having sent him to Washington, giving little reports on what it's like to follow in the footsteps of revered former senators Sam Nunn and Richard B. Russell.

    The afternoon sun is beating against the windshield. Cleland twists around in the front passenger seat and recounts, second by second, the sequence of events that changed his life.

    The grenade fell off his web gear as he jumped from the chopper. One thousand-one.

    He ran, head down, out from under the helicopter blades. One thousand-two.

    He turned around and saw the grenade. One thousand-three.

    He started back and reached for the grenade. One thousand-four.

    ``Boom,'' he says.

    The killing radius of a grenade is 15 to 18 feet. Cleland was within 5 to 6 inches of the grenade when it exploded. ``Theoretically, I shouldn't be alive under any circumstances,'' he says in a matter-of-fact tone.

    Indeed, in his 20s, Cleland seemed to be courting danger. His family had been dismayed by the zeal with which he sought out a place in the war. He was, he says, motivated by a mixture of idealism and naiveté. He volunteered to serve in the Army, he volunteered for paratrooper training, and he volunteered to join the 1st Air Cavalry Division. When a brigadier general tapped him to become his aide, a chance to serve his country stateside, Cleland resisted. The general offered him a deal: one year in the United States, and then he could ask to be transferred to Vietnam. Cleland agreed. A year later, in May 1967, he found himself in Vietnam.

    The tragic events there brought him some glory, marred though it was. After the explosion, the Army gave Cleland the Soldier's Medal, for shielding his men from the grenade blast (no one was nearby, he says), and the Silver Star, for coming to the aid of wounded troops the night of the Khe Sanh rocket attack (something he says his men did, but he did not do).

Draw your own conclusions. I have, and it makes me sick.

4 posted on 10/20/2002 1:54:02 PM PDT by TomB
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To: RobFromGa
Excellent article.

Thanks for posting it.

5 posted on 10/20/2002 1:56:28 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
bump
6 posted on 10/20/2002 2:01:11 PM PDT by timestax
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To: cajun-jack
Back in the old days it was said he was fragged...
7 posted on 10/20/2002 2:10:52 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: RobFromGa
Time to "axe Max"...I'll be doing my best with my vote for Chambliss.

Thanks for posting this article!
8 posted on 10/20/2002 2:21:35 PM PDT by dansangel
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To: joesnuffy
no....back in the old days it was said he was "stupid"...you get fragged by someone else....If you frag yourself, you are just an idiot and the lifeguard should have yelled "ok, you, yes you!!! outta the gene pool idiot"!!!! If I had been his "daddy" i would have hated his mama from the moment his head hit daylight and i never would haven spoken to or had sex with her again!!!!
9 posted on 10/20/2002 2:39:44 PM PDT by cajun-jack
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To: RobFromGa
As one working on the Chambliss campaign here in Gwinnett county we all feel he has an excellent chance of beating Cleland IF the voter turnout is good. So I'm issuing a challange to all freepers to contact as many people as they know in Georgia and urge them to turn out and vote. Call your local GOP office and pick up some Saxby signs...let's blitz the state with signs!!
As far as I know Cleland has agreed to only one debate and that will be on WSB-tv on October 27th..anxious to see just what he is afraid of in debating the issues! Could be interesting!
10 posted on 10/20/2002 2:43:30 PM PDT by grannyheart2000
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To: RobFromGa
Thanks for the article, Rob.

Since I'm fairly new to Georgia politics, Cleland has been something of a mystery to me. He's obviously a Twinkletoes D'ashole type Democrat. Yet his campaign commercials would lead one to believe that he's standing tall and leading the charge for George Bush. Obviously Cleland reads the polls. But his commercials are essentially blatant lies. I was very glad when Bush appeared in Atlanta and put the quietus on the idea that Max was squarely in Bush's corner.

A puzzlement: Zell Miller is making campaign commercials for Cleland that produce a sense of nausea, they're so sweet. Yet Zell is one Democrat who has strongly backed Bush and has chided his own party for their obstructionism.

I might eventually understand Georgia politics if I live long enough. But honestly, I doubt it.

11 posted on 10/20/2002 2:43:49 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Ole Okie
I might eventually understand Georgia politics if I live long enough. But honestly, I doubt it.

If you do figure it out, let me know. LOL!

I think that there are several dynamics at work:

1. Most important: The AJC and all the LOCAL NEWS stations are terribly, incredibly BIASED in their coverage of local politicians. It is terribly difficult to educate people in local issues. There is no equivalent to FoxNews- Fair and Balanced at the local level. IMHO, this is true of local politics across the country.

2. The Georgia Republican Party is terribly stupid and they pick stupid causes. (e.g. Flag) They also tend to eat one another in the primaries whereas the Dem machine anoints the chosen front-runner.

3. The Georgia Democrat machine at the state level has elevated racial and political gerrymandering to an art form, ensuring a tough job to develop GOP candidates appealing to a state-wide constituency.

4. The Georgia Democrats have historically often voted in GOP primaries to eliminate the stronger GOP candidates from the general election.

5. Even though Atlanta is the #1 city in the country BY A LONG shot for Affluent Blacks, they still vote Democrat by habit (or a sense of racial duty).

6. South Georgia people and North Georgia people tend to distrust Atlanta politicians whom they see at citified types. These rural people tend to vote Dem as it has been the party of the farmer types.

These are probably not all accurate but they are my observations.

12 posted on 10/20/2002 3:12:53 PM PDT by RobFromGa
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To: RobFromGa
"The Georgia Democratic machine at the state level has elevated racial and political gerrymandering to an art form."

After examining the new congressional districts in GA, I thought Gov. Roy Barnes threw up on the map! Those new districts have no coherency at all. There is no way those districts can maintain a steady population of 650,000 people for the next 10 years. Counties and townships are split apart into different districts. Think of the potential voter confusion this could cause. Hopefully on Nov. 5th, the voters can send a message to Gov. Barnes by electing GOP congress people in the GA-3, GA-11, and GA-12.
13 posted on 10/20/2002 4:48:40 PM PDT by Kuksool
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To: RobFromGa
How the hell did this get published in the AJC Rob?
14 posted on 10/20/2002 5:57:16 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: cajun-jack
"A spokesman for Cleland's campaign said the senator, who lost three limbs in a grenade accident in Vietnam, . . .

. . . neglecting to add that he was drunk and horsing around at the time.

15 posted on 10/20/2002 8:22:00 PM PDT by Vigilanteman
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To: Vigilanteman
Do not take this as a defense of a democrat but cleland was the commo for a inf bn in vietnam. They were on an operation, getting off of a bird when another soldiers grenade fell off and exploded, leaving cleland a cripple. I believe this story, I heard from him while being his escort at Parris Island. I have no idea about him other than that.
16 posted on 10/20/2002 8:30:33 PM PDT by flyer182
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To: grannyheart2000
Yes, but after this ad that has everybody in a tuss, isn't his momentum dead?
17 posted on 10/20/2002 9:06:50 PM PDT by Norwell
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To: TomB; sneakypete
WTF?
18 posted on 10/20/2002 9:09:06 PM PDT by CARepubGal
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To: RobFromGa
In 2001, Max voted 100 percent with the National Abortion Rights Action League, 20 percent with the Christian Coalition, 91 percent with the NAACP, 100 percent with the gay rights Human Rights Campaign, 90 percent with the NEA, 90 percent with the Children's Defense Fund (2000), 10 percent with the Gun Owners of America, 88 percent with the AFL-CIO, and 85 percent with Americans for Democratic Action.

It is time for him to go.

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

19 posted on 10/20/2002 9:18:20 PM PDT by mikeb704
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To: CARepubGal
Yup,he ain't no hero. Only a victim.
20 posted on 10/20/2002 10:45:55 PM PDT by sneakypete
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