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Civil War author lauds Confederate general
The Capital-Journal ^
| 10/21/2002
| Steve Fry
Posted on 10/22/2002 12:04:52 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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Appearance
Who: Author Wiley Sword
When: 6:30 p.m. Wednesday
Where: Education classroom at the Kansas Museum of History, 6425 S.W. 6th.
What: Monthly meeting of the Civil War Roundtable of Eastern Kansas.
Program is open to the public. Admission is free.
To: *dixie_list; archy; BurkeCalhounDabney; bluecollarman; RebelDawg; viligantcitizen; ...
Hurrah for Cleburne!
To: stainlessbanner
Hurrah! and to hell with the union!
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posted on
10/22/2002 12:13:19 PM PDT
by
MAWG
To: stainlessbanner
Oh, I'm goin' every Southward to tell my tale of woe,
I'm goin' back to Georgia to see my Uncle Joe.
You can talk about your Beauregard
Or sing of General Lee ...
But the gallant Hood of Texas sure played hell in Tennessee.
(To the tune of "Yellow Rose of Texas", sung by the survivors of the Army of Tennessee on its retreat after the Battle of Nashville)
To: stainlessbanner
...and Ulysses Grant, who was struck in the sword by an enemy round, survived the battle and the war. Shot in the sword? Ouch!
To: stainlessbanner
That's the first I heard of AS Johnston being shot by his own men. I am aware of the story that he minimized the severity of his own femoral artery wound and didn't realize he was in such dire condition till his boot filled with blood and he became woozy from loss of blood. I have stood near the tree he allegedly leaned against as he expired. Rumour has it that he had dispatched his own surgeon to tend to a wounded Union soldier after he was first shot.
Had he lived, no doubt the West would have been better served than with that idiot Bragg.
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posted on
10/22/2002 12:23:00 PM PDT
by
wardaddy
To: stainlessbanner
"Here, let me put your sword back in your scabbard for you."
"Ouch, dammit, I don't have a scabbard!"
"You do now."
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posted on
10/22/2002 12:25:56 PM PDT
by
paddles
To: Cleburne
This one's for you, suh!
To: wardaddy
Yes, from my understanding .. and it came from Wiley Sword's own "Shiloh: Bloody April" .. when they took the ball out of his leg, it more closely matched the bore size of the Confederate rifled muskets than it did the Union.
Although, to be truthful, anything was possible in that forested melee.
To: stainlessbanner
Cleburne was one of the great Generals that fell during the Civil War. At the Shelton House during the Seige of Corinth, he sent the Union Army packing its bags. If Lincoln had been astute, he would have seen that Pope was a fool (So Lincoln gave Pope the command of the Army Of the Potomac and Pope got whipped at 2nd Manassas). Cleburnes' brilliant use of snipers was the first in war. So famous was he in the South, that when he was disinterred from Franklin about 1869, every city from Franklin, Tennessee to Helena, Arkansas along the railroad route, had his body lay in state so that the citizens could pay respect to him.
The affair at the Shelton House is little documented since it was such an embarrassment to the North. Ironically, on Cleburnes' headstone are his battle honors, Chicamauga, Shiloh, Murphreesboro, Franklin, Perryville, and Shelton House.
To: stainlessbanner
Nice pic. But surely Cleburne didn't lead the charge at Franklin mounted, did he? Any officer in the lead would generally have dismounted, especially by '64. Yeah, yeah, Sheridan rode around like a maniac (famous, among other things, for leaping his horse over the breastworks at Five Forks), but I always thought Cleburne had better sense. D'ya know exactly how he was killed?
His proper place would have been a few hundred yards behind his division (where he might, in fact, have remained mounted), but civil war division commanders occasionally got carried away and got too far forward.
Just curious.
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posted on
10/22/2002 12:38:51 PM PDT
by
sphinx
To: sphinx
Not sure of the exact details of Cleburne's death, but the painting is a Don Trioni (sp?) - he does some beautiful work.
To: wardaddy
A.S. Johnston was likely wounded from the volley of the Tennessee troops that he and the Governor of Tennessee, Ishiam Harris, were trying to rally. Johnston was wounded in the Popliteal artery and did dispense Governor Harris and his personal surgeon to take care of the troops. Johnston was an educated man in rudimentary medicine and had a tourniquet in his pocket. As for his military experience, it is exaggerated. He had less than one hour of combat experience and that was against the Mormons. He had lost the states of Kentucky and most of Tennessee and was thoroughly embarrassed. His statement I would fight them even if they were a million can be interpreted as his statement that he was going to take a stand to death, which he did. I work within sight of AS Johnstons' headquarters at Corinth (and all of the Generals' HQ for that matter). I have been over the site of Johnston's death with McPherson, Sword, Reaves, Allen, and a myriad of other historians.
To: wardaddy
That's the first I heard of AS Johnston being shot by his own men. The south had a propensity for shooting their own generals. Jackson, Hill, and Johnston were killed and Longstreet was wounded, all by Confederate bullets.
To: sphinx
Cleburne was mounted at Franklin, led his men at Franklin and died at the Pizza hut at Franklin. Let us die like men was Cleburne's statement as he left Hoods' HQ prior to the charge at Franklin.
To: stainlessbanner
That's in Topeka, just in case you were planning on making the trip.
I've never heard of Sword but the Albert Castel connection makes sense. He has had a lot of his stuff published through the University of Kansas press. His "Decision in the West: The Atlanta Campaign on 1864" is probably the most definitive book on that campaign that you'll find.
To: vetvetdoug
Cleburne was mounted at Franklin, led his men at Franklin and died at the Pizza hut at Franklin. That fast food will get you every time.
To: vetvetdoug
died at the Pizza hut at FranklinFranklin is probably the biggest battlefield I've not yet visited. I know the developers have gotten most of it. Is there much left to see?
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posted on
10/22/2002 12:54:11 PM PDT
by
sphinx
To: sphinx
Only around the Carnton house which was a bit south of the actual battle.
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posted on
10/22/2002 1:00:08 PM PDT
by
wardaddy
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