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67 Hostages Killed, 700 Rescued in Russian raid on Chechen Terrorists
San Mateo County TImes - LA TIMES ^

Posted on 10/26/2002 2:51:40 AM PDT by BurbankKarl

Article Last Updated: Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 2:57:53 AM MST

Russians storm theater Captors were 'liquidated,' officials say By John Daniszewski and David Holley By John Daniszewski and David Holley Los Angeles Times

MOSCOW -- Police commandos armed with sleeping gas and blazing guns stormed a theater here early today and overcame Chechen separatists holding about 700 hostages. Authorities said they were forced to launch the rescue after rebels began to kill captives. The leader of the hostage-takers and around 30 of his companions were "liquidated," officials said. There was still no official word about the toll among the hostages. An Australian diplomat was told that the number was no more than 10, and that none of the estimated 75 foreigners were among the dead. But a police officers said he saw "a lot of corpses."

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1 posted on 10/26/2002 2:51:41 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl; MozartLover
Sad ending..but at least it is over.
2 posted on 10/26/2002 3:16:53 AM PDT by Neets
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To: Neets
It's actually better than I expected. It could easily have ended with ten times as many hostages dead.
3 posted on 10/26/2002 3:20:21 AM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: ThinkDifferent
The U.S. would be howling if it happened here and 67 dead.
4 posted on 10/26/2002 3:21:55 AM PDT by listenhillary
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To: Neets
Prayers for the families of those killed going up.

Islam, the religion of peace...my @ss.

5.56mm

5 posted on 10/26/2002 3:25:27 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: listenhillary
The U.S. would be howling if it happened here and 67 dead.

No question. I hope we don't get upset when Russia does what we would do if it had happened here.

6 posted on 10/26/2002 3:25:40 AM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: ThinkDifferent
It's actually better than I expected. It could easily have ended with ten times as many hostages dead.

Hence, your screen name!!!! ;-)

But yes, you are right of course.

7 posted on 10/26/2002 3:26:25 AM PDT by Neets
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To: BurbankKarl
9.5% casualty rate. The Russians are getting better at hostage rescue!
8 posted on 10/26/2002 3:26:38 AM PDT by Pern
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To: ThinkDifferent
It's actually better than I expected.

I agree. I had fears of it being much, much worse when it ended.

9 posted on 10/26/2002 3:28:53 AM PDT by riley1992
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To: riley1992
I thought there was a good chance all the hostages would be killed along with several commandos when they went in and the building subsequently exploded and collapsed. The circumstances looked mighty grim, what with the whole structure packed with explosives. I'd say the outcome is about as good as could be reasonably hoped for.
10 posted on 10/26/2002 3:51:09 AM PDT by ProbableCause
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To: listenhillary
The U.S. would be howling if it happened here and 67 dead.

With all the INS screw ups, outright corruption, the State Dept. employee who let in some of the 9-11 terrorists getting a $15,000 bonus, and the PC "let 'em all in" philosophy of BOTH political parties having caused approx 3000 deaths on 9-11 , the death and destruction of the first WTC bombing, deaths at the CIA headquarters at Langley, a factor in beltawy sniper spree, etc., etc. etc., there should be alot of howling going on right now.

Read Michelle Malkin's book <>Invasion and her columns.

"click here"

11 posted on 10/26/2002 3:52:52 AM PDT by putupon
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To: BurbankKarl
The leader of the hostage-takers and around 30 of his companions were "liquidated," officials said. There was still no official word about the toll among the hostages

Don't you just love that word..liquidated

12 posted on 10/26/2002 3:57:42 AM PDT by BubbaJunebug
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To: putupon
Picture required!
13 posted on 10/26/2002 4:02:39 AM PDT by SubMareener
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To: riley1992
I was expecting anywhere from 150 to 500 dead.
14 posted on 10/26/2002 4:04:53 AM PDT by john in missouri
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To: BubbaJunebug
Squished like a june bug into a puddle of juice
15 posted on 10/26/2002 4:09:57 AM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: BubbaJunebug
I pity (not) the Chechens that have been captured. They're going to wish they were in hell with their fallen fellow murderers.
16 posted on 10/26/2002 4:21:37 AM PDT by germanicus
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To: BubbaJunebug
Yes, liquidated. Would love to read that the prisoners in Gitmo were liquidated, but our dumb *ss officials are letting them go to kill again. When will we learn?
17 posted on 10/26/2002 4:27:44 AM PDT by Musket
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To: ProbableCause
The circumstances looked mighty grim, what with the whole structure packed with explosives. I'd say the outcome is about as good as could be reasonably hoped for.

I was afraid we were going to wake up this morning to images equivalent to the World Trade Center. According to the article, the number of dead is still unknown. It is not known how many are "liquidated" (love that word choice) hostagetakers and how many are hostages. There was also some mention of people who looked dead, but were asleep from whatever gas was used.

The horror of these situations...it just doesn't get easier. It sounds like the Russians did as well as possible, in a very bad situation.

18 posted on 10/26/2002 4:27:56 AM PDT by grania
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To: BurbankKarl
"Chechen separatists"

They are not Islamic Terrorists? Oh, that's right, CNN called them "freedom fighters" or "rebels." On Reuters they were students.Anything but Muslim fanatics and murderers.

Why don't we all have a group hug and call them:

Those Wacky Pranksters :-)


19 posted on 10/26/2002 4:34:31 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: listenhillary
Waco didn't disturb the Democrats.
20 posted on 10/26/2002 4:43:23 AM PDT by BillM
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To: ThinkDifferent
It's actually better than I expected. It could easily have ended with ten times as many hostages dead.

It's nothing short of miraculous. Thank God. I can't figure out how a gas could be delivered so quickly, especially without killing a lot of people.

Now that the word is out though, terrorists will be carrying gas masks the next time around.

21 posted on 10/26/2002 4:43:28 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: grania
This could have had a much worse ending. The raid appears successful with minimum losses.

To those "good" Russian folks and the children who were held capitve, we pray that your terrible memories will slip quietly to the back of your minds and wish you all good things.

22 posted on 10/26/2002 4:43:28 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: germanicus
I pity (not) the Chechens that have been captured. They're going to wish they were in hell with their fallen fellow murderers.

You said it. I've heard stories about how the Russians deal with Chechens and it usually involves torture and removal of bodily parts. "Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

23 posted on 10/26/2002 4:55:09 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: BurbankKarl
#9 expresses my thoughts exactly, but I can't tell her that directly since she hates my guts!
24 posted on 10/26/2002 4:57:53 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: BurbankKarl
I wonder if the "hostage-takers" (TERRORISTS!) thought a former member of the KGB would just stand by and let them kill all of the hostages? "Liquidated" sounds like something Putin learned in the old days.
25 posted on 10/26/2002 5:01:08 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: A_perfect_lady

When is the World going to get its head out of it's tailpipe and realize that these Islamics beleive they have a right granted under these psychotic muhalla's fatwahs to kill every Christian, every Hindu, every Jew, every Bhudist, every Taoist; infact each and every man, woman and child who dies not beleive as they do about any issue they choose!


26 posted on 10/26/2002 5:04:21 AM PDT by MindBender26
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To: BurbankKarl; Fusion; Hoplite
Any word on if Fusion was the lead terrorist in this one. Did he survive?
27 posted on 10/26/2002 5:09:02 AM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
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To: MindBender26
I think most of us are hip to this. It's the Hollywood lefties who still think that when the Marxist/Muslim coalition takes over the world, they'll rule hand in hand. They don't realize that the Muslims would machine-gun Susan Sarandon as soon as they had no further use for her.

And that's my only comfort. (-:

28 posted on 10/26/2002 5:11:38 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: BurbankKarl
Check out this thread
Explosion, Gunfire Heard From Moscow Theater Where 600 Hostages Being Held by Chechen Rebels

There are pictures and a video in the later replies.

29 posted on 10/26/2002 5:12:07 AM PDT by csvset
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To: MindBender26
I. can't. hear. you!

Ok seriously, these survivors must have one hella hangover. Nothing like a little unplanned gassing. That's serious stuff as evidence by how many (presumably older) folks perished at the hospital from the effects.
30 posted on 10/26/2002 5:12:17 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: listenhillary
Look what one siper did...if this kind of act happened in the the US , it would go bedlam !
31 posted on 10/26/2002 5:28:53 AM PDT by Ally
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To: BurbankKarl
Nazdarovye Russia ! Bravo !
32 posted on 10/26/2002 5:29:29 AM PDT by Ally
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To: SkyPilot
SkyPilot , I wonder do you know where this picture is taken from??
33 posted on 10/26/2002 5:31:48 AM PDT by Ally
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To: Ally; Alouette
It was taken in Israel. Those are demon-possessed Muslims rejoicing in the blood of the IDF soldiers they just murdered.
34 posted on 10/26/2002 5:35:21 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: BillM
Waco was caused by the democrats.
35 posted on 10/26/2002 5:36:00 AM PDT by BabsC
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To: Aquinasfan
>Now that the word is out though, terrorists will be carrying gas masks the next time around.

I recall reading on a thread a long time ago that the Russians have some kind of material that will melt the gas masks of opponents and they used it in, I think, Afghanistan.

36 posted on 10/26/2002 5:40:18 AM PDT by 2sheep
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To: 2sheep
Thanks I know that as I happen to live here...I just wasn't sure that SkyPilot was aware of that.
37 posted on 10/26/2002 5:43:19 AM PDT by Ally
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To: All
Posted on the ohter thread:


Subject
end of hostage crisis in Moscow
Author
"Sergei Roy"
Date
26.10.2002 16:07
15:43

Followup on previous report.

Interior Ministry representative states that the terrorists were in contact with certain
individuals in Chechnya, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and other unnamed countries, AS WELL
AS WITH CERTAIN DIPLOMATIC MISSIONS IN MOSCOW. This last will be investigated
by Russian security officers in conjunction with those from the respective countries and RF
Ministry of Foreign Affairs representatives.

Apart from the loss of life among the hostages and terrorists, some Alpha officers have
also been injured, but the exact nature of the injuries or loss of life among them is
undisclosed.

Most of the hostages who emerged from the building were in a state of shock and stupor
and could walk only with difficulty, some, especially the ladies, had to be carried. One
rescuer told a TV crew, with tears in his eyes, that a young woman whom he was carrying
came to in his arms and started kissing him. Natural reaction, I'd say.

Official report: no foreign nationals or children, in that order, have lost their lives in the
crisis. There were 67 foreigners among the audience.

Vice Mayor Shantsev, who had obviously been celebrating the success of the rescue
operation, said that he was proud to have shaken the hand of the Alpha colonel who had
shot dead the gang's leader Movsar Barayev (Suleymenov).

A sketch of Movsar Suleymenov's character. He is known to have been a real otmorozok,
R. slang for "frozen brain." Nephew of Arbi Barayev, the terrorist personally responsible for
countless murders, hostage takings and the beading of three Brits and one New
Zealander. The nephew eagerly followed in the footsteps of his role model and, after Arbi
Barayev was killed by federal troops, took his name. During the hostage taking he was
said by most of the people who were allowed into the building -- the deputies, doctors,etc.
-- to have been "resting," apparently in a manner that the Prophet would not have approved,
as the huge bottle of cognac he clutched in his left hand even in death shows.
S.R.


Author
Date

end of hostage crisis in Moscow

Sergei Roy
26.10 16:07
38 posted on 10/26/2002 5:43:36 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: BillM
Good point

Waco didn't disturb the Democrats.

Nor enough Republicans

39 posted on 10/26/2002 5:45:33 AM PDT by listenhillary
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To: MindBender26
"... When is the World going to get its head out of it's tailpipe..."

In a word? NEVER.

It's warm and squishy in there.

Death to the oillah-based economy!!!

40 posted on 10/26/2002 5:46:05 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Ally
That kid with the blood on his hands, didn't the IDF snatch him a few months later?
41 posted on 10/26/2002 5:49:02 AM PDT by Skip Ripley
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To: BabsC
"...Waco was caused by the democrats...

You have some serious reality problems. Or should I say "problemos"?

Who was governor of the Great State of Texas at that time?

Who was President when the government mounted a military operation against a family in Idaho who just wanted to live in the mountains in their tar-paper shack--killing a child and a mother with a baby at her breast?

42 posted on 10/26/2002 5:51:08 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Skip Ripley
Him and others who took part in this animal vicious murder
43 posted on 10/26/2002 5:57:16 AM PDT by Ally
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To: BillM
Waco didn't disturb the Democrats.

This point bears repeating because I'm sure the knee-jerk liberals will be howling about how "inhumanely"the Russians treated those poor Chechnyan protesters and freedom fighters.

44 posted on 10/26/2002 6:02:45 AM PDT by albee
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To: SkyPilot
They are not Islamic Terrorists? Oh, that's right, CNN called them "freedom fighters" or "rebels." On Reuters they were students.Anything but Muslim fanatics and murderers.

I agree. The media's collective butt-covering for worldwide fanatical Islam has reached absurd proportions. For instance, it appears that unless some whack job in this country has marching orders signed by Osama Bin Laden himself, any mayhem he does is an "isolated incident" unconnected with militant Islam (either that, or Gulf War service and the NRA are to blame).

45 posted on 10/26/2002 6:05:16 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: SkyPilot
so well said, and if I may add, liqidation of wacky pranksters is a kind and gentle way of improving a bad situation.
46 posted on 10/26/2002 6:09:38 AM PDT by wita
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To: A_perfect_lady
They don't realize that the Muslims would machine-gun Susan Sarandon as soon as they had no further use for her. And that's my only comfort. (-:

The rest of the Hollywood bimbos would put on their burkas so fast your head would spin.

47 posted on 10/26/2002 6:20:03 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: wita

From Pravda.RU:

67 Hostages Die in Hostage Release Operation, Over 750 Rescued

Russian Deputy Minister for Internal Affairs Vladimir Vasilyev told journalists that 67 hostages died at the storm of the theatre in Moscow, over 750 people were released; 34 terrorists were killed.

Vladimir Vasilyev says that “if the operation failed, a thousand of people, or even more would die.” The decision to start the storm was correct, the deputy minister for internal affairs says. According to NEWSru.com, Vladimir Vasilyev doubts that construction of the theatre building would leave at least some people alive if explosions sounded there.

The deputy minister denied information that majority of hostages died of the gas used in the storm.

Vladimir Vasilyev says he talked to Kirtadze, the head physician of the war veterans’ hospital #1, where severely wounded hostages had been brought. There are 104 wounded hostages in the hospital; nine died, but none of them died of poisoning. Kirtadze says that the people died mostly of heart diseases, and explains these lamentable consequences with a three-day stress, starvation, lack of medical aid.

The decision to storm the theatre was made by the operative headquarters set up for the hostages’ release with the HQ commander, FSB deputy director Vladimir Pronichev at head. In Vasilyev’s words, with a view to save lives of the hostages, “the HQ allowed any claims of the terrorists, sometimes even rather unbelievable ones.” “We tried to fulfil all claims set up by the terrorists. But everything we heard them say, made us think more and more about actions to prevent the building from blowing up.” That is why it’s quite natural that parallel to the negotiations with the terrorists, the operative headquarters worked on a special operation.

Vladimir Vasilyev says that preparation for the operation was highly professional, all necessary facilities were employed for it. Much was done to get as many hostages released as possible, special particular negotiations were held concerning release of hostage children. “We felt real danger, that is why it was decided to start the special operation. And we admit responsibility for it. The Prosecutor’s Office will give its estimate to the work of the headquarters,” the deputy minister for internal affairs says.

Right after the storm of the theatre, Russian newspaper Moskovsky Komsomolets talked to a soldier participating in the storm who told about the hostage release.

“We think everything was done professionally, as it is fixed in the operative instructions. It is really very important that we were a success in the psychological war. There was leakage of information saying that the storm would start at 3:00 a.m. The terrorists pricked up the ears, but no storm followed. Then they started firing. It is quite natural that as a consequence of it, the terrorists relaxed. We started the storm at 5:00 a.m. Sleeping gas was let into the theatre hall through the ventilation, several grenades were fired right in the hall. We managed to liquidate the female kamikaze: soldiers penetrated into the hall through special crawlways and shot the sleeping terrorists point-blank. Right at the temple. I agree that it’s cruel, but when you see a man with two kilograms of plastid strapped to the body, there is no other way to neutralize him. Besides, panic spread immediately. Here, we once again suffered from our constant mistake: lack of coordination between the actions of subdivisions. Several terrorists in the corridor started firing, those people who were not asleep after the gas penetrated into the theatre, rushed out of the hall. They ran against the special forces troops that blocked the exits.

As a result, soldiers remaining in the hall opened fire against the balconies, luckily none was wounded at that. In the mess several terrorists managed to escape. By the way, there were several people outside the theatre building, not two as was reported earlier, who communicated with the terrorists over cell phones and told them what was going on outside the building. By the way, they were not of Caucasian appearance at all. We noticed these people at once and closely watched them all the time. I should say that on the whole we are satisfied with the course of the operation. Our soldiers are elated by the success, especially that it was the first successful operation over several past years.”

President Vladimir Putin held a meeting with RF Defense Minister Sergey Ivanov, Minister for Internal Affairs Boris Gryzov, FSB Director Nikolay Patrushev and Foreign Intelligence Service Director Sergey Lebedev. The information was provided by the president’s press-secretary Alexey Gromov; no details concerning the agenda have been published yet.

Translated by Maria Gousseva


48 posted on 10/26/2002 6:20:35 AM PDT by American72
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci

Who was governor of the Great State of Texas at that time?

Ann Richards was Governor of Texas in 1993. GW wasn't elected until 1994.

49 posted on 10/26/2002 6:23:22 AM PDT by American72
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
How involved do you think the President of the UNited States of America, or any governor of any state is in the daily mundane and normal operations of federeral agencies? Especially when they are not briefed of who, what, when, why and where, and even if briefed, the line of BS emanating from federal authorities in the two cases mentioned was enough to steamroll just about anyone. So why not add a little more so the rest of us will know precisely what your point is.
50 posted on 10/26/2002 6:26:18 AM PDT by wita
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