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The Senate Belongs to the Republicans until 2008!
Vanity | 11/06/02 | David Pittelli

Posted on 11/06/2002 9:23:56 AM PST by DWPittelli

The Republicans took back the Senate this year, which is good enough for them in and of itself. The fact that they did this mid-term of the first term of a Republican Presidency is even better. But what’s best of all for the Republicans is the fact that they did this while defending 20 Senate seats this year, while the Democrats were only defending 14 seats (counting Wellstone’s recently emptied seat). Republican success refutes the myth of this being a “50/50 nation” – Republicans would have lost a couple seats in a nation evenly divided between the parties.

But 2002’s Senate races have further meaning. Not only did they mean that Republicans could win this year while running up-hill, defending more seats, the following incumbency figures pretty much guarantee that Republicans will control the Senate for the next 6 years:

How’s that? In 2 years (2004), the Democrats will be defending 19 seats while the Republicans are defending only 15. Now, it’s not impossible that the Dems will pick up seats – since the Republicans did so this year it is possible. But it’s very difficult: the Dems won’t have any mid-term advantage, and could only win if Bush’s presidency is seen as a failure. At any rate, if Bush wins reelection (or even loses closely) he will have a safely Republican Senate. Similarly, in 2006, the Dems will be defending 17 seats – 18 if you count turncoat Jim Jeffords, as you should. And the Republicans will only be defending 14 seats. Again, the Republicans are likely to hold their position or even gain a seat if the country remains anywhere near evenly divided.

The next real danger time for Republicans will be 2008, when Republicans will likely have 22 seats up, while the Dems will have only 12 seats to defend – an even bigger gap than we had yesterday. Most likely the Republicans will give up a few seats. But they will already be up by several seats (and won’t likely have to worry about Lautenberg!) and can afford to lose a few. Control of the Senate will follow the Presidential election (unless the popular vote is within 2%).


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: election; senate
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1 posted on 11/06/2002 9:23:57 AM PST by DWPittelli
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To: DWPittelli
Thank God the DemocRATS didn't follow Barbra Streisand's advice or today would not be a pretty picture for the Republican party and President Bush.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....snicker, chortle,

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

2 posted on 11/06/2002 9:29:49 AM PST by N. Theknow
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To: DWPittelli
Great post-I was wondering about this all day. Thanks.

Can someone please help me, my head is spinning. Not counting Louisiana (subject to a runoff),South Dakota (subject to a recount), and Minnesota (When does Coleman take that seat) what is the current makeup of the Senate? I can't seem to get an accurate count minus those three seats which I think we will all eventually pickup.

3 posted on 11/06/2002 9:30:46 AM PST by MattinNJ
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To: DWPittelli
2008 is pivotal - especially since Hillary has her eye on it. And frankly, when one looks at their talent bench, she's probably all they've got.
4 posted on 11/06/2002 9:31:03 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
You also have the Laut in a VERY bad position---coaxed out of his cushy retirement on promises of chairmanships. He is OLD (and thus, his health is suspect) and he lacks energy and now, motivation. I won't be surprised if he announces "sudden family issues" that demand his attention, and he will resign after January, allowing McGreedy to appoint a younger, more viable candidate.
5 posted on 11/06/2002 9:38:23 AM PST by LS
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To: MattinNJ
I believe the Republicans have 50 almost immediately (due to Carnahan/Talent being a special election), and 51 when the new Senate is sworn in, even if Minnesota is delayed until the normal swearing in time and the Ventura guy stays Independent. And of course, they may have up to 53 if Louisiana goes theiR way (probable) or they win a S Dakota suit/recount (not probable).
6 posted on 11/06/2002 9:39:30 AM PST by DWPittelli
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To: LS
BINGO - YOU'RE A WINNER! I think he won't last much past first quarter/03 too. I think the party will have to admit that he has dementia.
7 posted on 11/06/2002 9:42:40 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: DWPittelli
2004? Higher turnout associated with a Presidential election will likely favor the Democrats nationwide.
8 posted on 11/06/2002 9:46:48 AM PST by Coop
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To: DWPittelli
Never underestimate the pubbies ability to shoot themselves in the foot. especially the losers in the senate
9 posted on 11/06/2002 9:47:46 AM PST by wny
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To: DWPittelli
Why don't you see Thune winning in SD? Obvious voter fraud -- Libertarian candidate dropped out of the race 3 weeks ago -- evidence of forgery/fraud on the reservations?

Just curious -- always willing to learn something new. I feel that we cannot let SD go like we did in MO 2000.

10 posted on 11/06/2002 9:50:02 AM PST by alethia
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To: DWPittelli
Democrats would be VERY hard pressed to win the Senate in 2004. Here are some of their seats that could be challenged:

Senators who won "squeaker" races in 1998

Boxer (CA)
Reid (NV)
Lincoln (AR)
Edwards (NC)
Feingold (WI)

Senators who might retire in 2004

Hollings (SC)
Daschle (SD)
Inouye (HI)
Leahy (VT)
Miller (GA)

The Republican side is in much better shape, not just for the lower number of seats. Of the incumbents should they run again, I would only put Bond (MO), Bunning (KY), Fitzgerald (IL), and the Alaska seat into any kind of play. And given the newly won majority, I don't foresee many on the GOP side deciding to retire.

11 posted on 11/06/2002 9:53:15 AM PST by tellw
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To: alethia
I agree!

SD must be dragged into the light of day and the frauds must be exposed!

If we don't expose fraud NOW, while we have the advantage, we will be dealing with it again in 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 years and forever after!
12 posted on 11/06/2002 9:55:12 AM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: DWPittelli
It is important to know *which* seats in 2004.

I know one of them is Dashle's in SD... a Thune rematch if he doesnt win there?

What are the other places and races? Some may be competitive, others might not.

Any retirements expected? One of the problems for Republicans was the large number of retirements we had to go through this cycle. We triumphed in every one of them: NC, SC, TN, TX, ...

anyway, it is not just the raw numbers of seats up but an indication of which seats and where that counts.
13 posted on 11/06/2002 9:57:26 AM PST by WOSG
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To: anniegetyourgun
2008 is pivotal - especially since Hillary has her eye on it. And frankly, when one looks at their talent bench, she's probably all they've got.

Assuming Bush gets re-elected and the house remains republican. With the repubs in total control for the last 6 years they will have no excuses. They will have to take credit for everything wrong with the country in 2008. They should also get credit for everything right with the country at that time. If the Republicans don't have the majority of the people happy in 2008, Hillary could actually end up president. This should be interesting to watch. Only my own amatuer opinion of course.

14 posted on 11/06/2002 9:58:23 AM PST by templar
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To: tellw
oops, thanks for answering the question before I posed it ... Good analysis!

15 posted on 11/06/2002 9:58:58 AM PST by WOSG
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To: DWPittelli
Does this sound familiar?

Gee, Mr. President. You've just wound up a successful war in Iraq and it looks like tbe best the Democrats can do is some no-name governor from Arkansas of all places. The 1992 election is in the bag."

Let's enjoy the moment but don't get cocky. A lot can happen between now and 2004 and, given our leadership in the House and Senate, much of that can be bad. Our work has just begun.

16 posted on 11/06/2002 9:59:20 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Our work has just begun.

Jeb Bush's victory speech sounded more like a campaign speech to me last night, so I assume that he is considering a run for the presidency in 2008. He will be done as governor in 2006 and that will give him the time he needs to put together a good campaign. It also makes me wonder if Hillary won't run in 2004. I thought she would wait until 2008, which I think is the reason they wanted to knock Jeb out of the FL governorship so badly. She would be probably running against him. But now that the Clintons have failed so badly, they can't afford any more such dismal showings of their failed leadership, so she might have to jump for 2004. It will be interesting. So, hopefully, whether she runs in 2004 or 2008, she will be facing a Bush.

17 posted on 11/06/2002 10:15:13 AM PST by twigs
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To: DWPittelli
As I read the press reports, Talent serves almost immediately, while the MN libertarian stays til January. So the Repubs should have 50 (or 51 if the libertarian/indep. from MN caucuses with them) in just a week or two, unless the Dems are so corrupt that they refuse to seat the new Senators.
18 posted on 11/06/2002 10:22:05 AM PST by The Person
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To: tellw
The Republican side is in much better shape, not just for the lower number of seats. Of the incumbents should they run again, I would only put Bond (MO), Bunning (KY), Fitzgerald (IL), and the Alaska seat into any kind of play. And given the newly won majority, I don't foresee many on the GOP side deciding to retire.

I would take out Bunning. There was an article a few weeks ago saying the democrats have no candidate to run against him. However I would add McCain (Az) and Campbell (CO) due to impending retirements. McCain's health is deteriorating and his presidential ambitions are shot. Campbell is reported to not be raising any money, something senators must constantly do to run effective campaigns.

Republican also have a shot at knocking off Schumer if Guiliani decides to run. Your also forgetting Bob Graham of Florida who is getting much older and will likely retire. Dittos for Barbara Mikulski, though Maryland is a tough state for republicans.

19 posted on 11/06/2002 10:24:50 AM PST by rmmcdaniell
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To: DWPittelli
Hey, Rush must have read this thread. He's going over it now on his show!!

Way to go FReepers, always on the cutting edge!!
20 posted on 11/06/2002 10:29:10 AM PST by BreitbartSentMe
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