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CAVUTO REPORTS THAT BUSH CONSIDERING SCRAPPING THE IRS CODE!!!
Fox News Channel | November 6, 2002 | n/a

Posted on 11/06/2002 1:39:57 PM PST by Tree of Liberty

Neil Cavuto just interviewed Mitchell E. Daniels, Jr., the director of the OMB, and Neil let it be known that he's hearing rumblings that Pres. Bush is considering a total re-write of the tax code and that SecTreas O'Neill is strongly pushing a national retail sales tax!


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 16th; amendment; bigsavingsaccts; fatpaycheck; goodbyejune5th; holdyourankles; internal; irs; liberalsscreechin; national; nrst; pipedream; putneckonhrblock; retail; revenue; sales; service; sixteenth; slavery; socialengineering; tax; taxcode; taxreform
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To: Hostage
You think I can rest after reading what you linked me to?

Sorry to interrupt your beauty rest. But you might find some more interesting bedtime reading in the UPI story *here.

-archy-/-

481 posted on 11/06/2002 6:33:09 PM PST by archy
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To: snowstorm12
They will say we need to raise taxes on goods to pay for some outrageously expensive money pit programs.

Correct me if I am wrong. I think the Republicans have the House, Senate and Bush.

So why are you talking about what the Democrats might do?

482 posted on 11/06/2002 6:34:38 PM PST by carenot
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To: William Terrell
As long as there is an income tax, the government has a preemptive right to every dollar I earn. They decide how much I get to keep--not me.

With a national sales tax, I decide how much I spend and the federal government no longer has its nose in my bank accounts.
483 posted on 11/06/2002 6:35:51 PM PST by No Income Tax
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; SeeRushToldU_So
Rush, you have to say that three times, while clicking your ruby red slippers together........

Rush? I hope you don't wear those ruby red slippers to Georgia Football games. You could get away with that in New Jersey, but Georgia? I don't think so.

484 posted on 11/06/2002 6:36:11 PM PST by Cagey
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To: Tree of Liberty
Replacing the income tax with a NRST would be good for American manufacturing workers. If someone bought an American made car, the cost of the U.S. government and the compliance cost of the U.S. tax code would not be included in the dealer cost. If someone bought a German made car, the pro rated per unit cost of the German government and the pro rated per unit cost of complying with the German tax code would be included in the dealer cost of the German made car. American car dealers could offer a better American made car for roughly the same price as a German made car. The same would apply to a California wine and a French wine or an Oregon 2x4 and a Canadian 2x4.
485 posted on 11/06/2002 6:36:26 PM PST by yoswif
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To: Tennessean4Bush
"No way. You would have to own 67 Senate seats and 280 House seats to pull this off."

Timing is everything...like just before an election. hehehe

486 posted on 11/06/2002 6:38:25 PM PST by rvoitier
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To: carenot
... I wish Chief Negotiator were alive to read this.

Yes, I do too.

But he was murdered, Oct 4, 2001.

We were trying to solve it. But it was covered up.

I noticed. *here*. and here. And here, and here, among others.

But who at Free Republic would benefit from helping cover up a fellow FReeper's murder? Who would do such a thing?

487 posted on 11/06/2002 6:44:01 PM PST by archy
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To: Tree of Liberty
strongly pushing a national retail sales tax!

If that's how our taxes will be paid?- LOVE it!

488 posted on 11/06/2002 6:44:53 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: mafree
AbsoFReepinglutely!

I also think of him often.
489 posted on 11/06/2002 6:50:21 PM PST by Taxman
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To: Bigun
I'm on it!
490 posted on 11/06/2002 6:51:08 PM PST by Taxman
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To: cdefreese
If he does, he can kiss reelection good-bye. With an income tax you really don't even see the money going out. With a sales tax, you see it EVERYTIME you buy something.

Yeh, but that just SCREEMS smaller government. If everyone paid taxes, which this will do, Democrats would all become part of their Darwin history!
He'll take down the Democrat party for good! People won't want to pay for all those social programs once it comes out of THEIR pockets, too!!!

491 posted on 11/06/2002 6:51:57 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: palmer
What if I manufacture goods in my cottage industry? I buy lots of handcrafted items at the flea market directly from the maker. If I knew them better I could special order and pick them up at his house. Are we going to send out federal agents to do this to make sure these people charge tax? How is that less intrusive than employers witholding income tax?

Home based businesses are SUPPOSE to get a tax ID number already! If you sell, you're suppose to collect sales tax on it. Flea markets in NY require a tax ID number.

492 posted on 11/06/2002 6:59:23 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: IncredibleHulk

My President doesn't have to get the 16th Amendment repealed by another amendment. All he has to do is get the SCOTUS to declare it improperly ratified and null and void.

It doesn't work that way.  SCOTUS does not answer to the President.  They are supposed to only answer to the constitution, though in recent years, they often put the legal profession that they serve above the Constitution.

Also, SCOTUS has repeatedly refused to hear cases on improper ratification of any amendment, not just the 16th Amendment.  SCOTUS follows the "enrolled bill rule."  If a legislative document is authenticated in regular form by the appropriate officials, the court treats that document as properly adopted. Field v. Clark, 143 U.S. 649, 12 [*447] S. Ct. 495, 36 L. Ed. 294 ( 1892).  This principle is treated as equally applicable to constitutional amendments.  Under the "enrolled bill rule," the mere fact that Secretary Knox, acting as the Administration's proper representative, declared that enough states had ratified the 16th Amendment, must be upheld by SCOTUS.  In other words, questions about ratification of amendments are "nonjusticiable."  The court considers the "enrolled bill rule" as necessary to insure the separation of powers.  It all boils down to one simple statement:

If the other two branches of government, through their proper representatives, certify that an amendment has been properly ratified, then the Court must treat the amendment as having been properly ratified.

Numerous Courts down through the years have taken this same position on cases related to not only the 16th Amendment.  As I recall, the 19th Amendment has also faced similar challenges and the Court refused to hear that case for the same reason.  The long and sordid history of similar SCOTUS rulings should be more than enough to convince all but the most fanatical TP'ers that your chances of overturning the 16th Amendment in the Court are next to nil.

Face it  SCOTUS isn't going to answer to Dubya and they will never even hear a ratification challenge to the 16th Amendment.

 

493 posted on 11/06/2002 7:01:57 PM PST by Action-America
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To: Gorest Gump
If Bush got this done, he would go on Mount Rushmore.

And ain't it poetic justice that Mt. Rushmore is in Tom Dassholes home state.

494 posted on 11/06/2002 7:02:38 PM PST by P8riot
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To: P8riot
With a national sales tax, even Dumocraps will have to pay taxes. Talk about equal protections! Fly this balloon. Let it soar!!
495 posted on 11/06/2002 7:04:05 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: Taxman; COB1; In Chiefs Honor; Alwayswatching
After CHIEF's tragic death I was concerned about what would happen to the NRST movement. I knew I didn't have time to take it on and hoped somebody would, if for no other reason, because they believed in it and wanted to honor the memory of CHIEF.

Lo and behold, we get this announcement today. Looks like God took care of it with no help from lil' ol' me!

496 posted on 11/06/2002 7:04:34 PM PST by mafree
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To: carenot
Food, medicine, and housing should not be that hard to define. Actually, the more we exempt the better. The less money sent to the feds to waste, the better off we will all be. As long as we can pay for national defense, the courts, and the post office we'll be fine. All the rest can be returned to the states and or privatized.
497 posted on 11/06/2002 7:04:49 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Cagey; SeeRushToldU_So
Sure Cagey, and you live in what part of Jersey??? lol
498 posted on 11/06/2002 7:06:25 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
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To: Jim Robinson
Food, medicine, and housing should not be that hard to define

Right now, retail doesn't collect taxes on those things. Just keep that the way it is.

499 posted on 11/06/2002 7:06:56 PM PST by concerned about politics
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To: All
I would like to scrap the IRS code. After that it could be rewritten, written with a flat tax, or written with a sales tax. Any of those options would be better than the status quo, but they have to be thought through. The extremely unsuccessful war on drugs shows the difficulty of controlling the sale of illegal substances. With a high sales tax, all untaxed substances will be illegal.

These items can be home grown, home made, smuggled, grey market, or merchandise that got "lost" during shipment. The good part about this evasion is I will be able to buy certain things anonymously. The bad part is it seems like it will be really easy, and the government would have to raise the rate for easily trackable items like large appliances and cars. It seems like many other items could be built in cottage industries from wholesale parts.

A second drawback of enforcement is intrusion upon small tradesmen and craftsmen. The ones who sell privately would have to risk their business or sell at a disadvantage to the black marketeers. It would be difficult to stop craftsmen from bartering their products or establishing bogus pricing without intrusive enforcement driving the legitimate ones out of business.

The most important drawback is the government would inevitably figure out solutions to these problems at the cost of my privacy.

500 posted on 11/06/2002 7:10:33 PM PST by palmer
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