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Stonewall was one strange dude
AP ^ | Nov. 10, 2002 | CHRIS KAHN

Posted on 11/11/2002 7:12:48 AM PST by stainlessbanner

BLACKSBURG, Va. - Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, perhaps the most feared and respected of Confederate generals, was by most accounts an odd person to have over for dinner.

Awkward, with a thin, almost feminine voice, Jackson was incapable of chatty conversation. He obsessed about digestion and was known to bring his own food -- crusts of stale bread, usually -- to parties.

Aside from his military accomplishments, Jackson's eccentricities are what many acquaintances remembered after his death in 1863. But there was much they didn't see.

Jackson's "Book of Maxims," a collection of slogans and bits of wisdom he compiled as a young officer, reveals the kind of man Jackson hoped to become before the country was split by the Civil War. The book was believed to have disappeared until about 13 years ago, and copies are now available.

"Too often, the popular perception of Jackson was of a religious zealot, a loose cannon, a hypochondriac, the village idiot," said Jackson biographer James Robertson Jr., who rediscovered the maxims in a mislabeled box at Tulane University.

"This book shows he was not. He was a very determined man. He was a man who wanted to be liked, who wanted to be part of society if only he could learn how."

Jackson grew up the orphaned son of a failed lawyer in the mountains of what is now West Virginia. He had less than a fourth-grade education when he entered West Point, and his time in New York was spent mostly alone.

"He'd be invited to an afternoon tea, and he'd go and just stand against the wall," Robertson said. "He didn't know what else to do."

His maxims, which he collected in his late 20s from books he was reading and from his own experience, provide a rare view into Jackson's mind at this awkward time.

There were tips for meeting friends: "A man is known by the company he keeps" and "Never weary your company by talking too long or too frequently."

Longer entries dealt with one of his greater difficulties, how to socialize: "Sit or stand still while another is speaking to you -- (do) not dig in the earth with your foot nor take your knife from your pocket & pare your nales (sic) nor other such actions."

Some of his maxims were meant for inspiration. The most famous, "You may be what ever you will resolve to be," is now displayed on an archway at Virginia Military Institute, where Jackson was a professor.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: confederacy; dixie; dixielist; generaljackson; godbless; south; stonewalljackson; wbts
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1 posted on 11/11/2002 7:12:48 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: *dixie_list; archy; BurkeCalhounDabney; bluecollarman; RebelDawg; viligantcitizen; ...
Stonewall Bump!
2 posted on 11/11/2002 7:14:20 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

VMI Cadets at Stonewall Jackson's grave, ca. 1868. From the VMI Archives photograph collection.

3 posted on 11/11/2002 7:15:40 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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Adjutant General's Office Va.
May 11th 1863

Major Gen. F.H. Smith
Supt., Virginia Military Institute

Sir:

By Command of the Governor I have this day to perform the most painful duty of my official life in announcing to you and through you to the Faculty & Cadets of the Virginia Mil. Institute the death of the great and good--the heroic and illustrious Lieut. General T.J. Jackson at 15 minutes past 3 oclock yesterday afternoon.

This heavy bereavement over which every true heart within the bounds of the Confederacy mourns with inexpressible sorrow--must fall if possible with heavier force upon that Noble State Institution to which he came from the battle-fields of Mexico, and where he gave to his native state the first years service of his modest and unobtrusive but public spirited and useful life.

It would be a senseless waste of words to attempt a eulogy upon this great among the greatest of sons who have immortalized Virginia. To the Corps of Cadets of the Virginia Military Institute, what a legacy he has left you, what an example of all that is good and great and true in the character of a Christian Soldier.

The Governor directs that the highest funeral honors be paid to his memory, that the customary outward badges of mourning be worn by all the officers and cadets of the Institution.

By command, W.H. Richardson, A.G.
By Command of Major Genl. Smith. A.G. Hill, Actg. Adjt., V.M.I.


4 posted on 11/11/2002 7:17:51 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
Excellent post on this Veterans' Day.
5 posted on 11/11/2002 7:18:24 AM PST by Redbob
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To: stainlessbanner
Thanks for posting this.
BTW, this article was in our local paper yesterday.

CD

6 posted on 11/11/2002 7:20:29 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: stainlessbanner
Excellent post for Veteran's Day.

God Bless the Confederacy!!

7 posted on 11/11/2002 7:21:42 AM PST by Pern
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To: stainlessbanner
he was buried one place, his arm another. shot by his own men...sad
8 posted on 11/11/2002 7:22:24 AM PST by camle
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To: stainlessbanner
Bump
9 posted on 11/11/2002 7:26:26 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: stainlessbanner
Yep, if the South needed a feller to attend tea parties and schmooze with the social elite, Stonewall probably wasn't their man. All he could do was general.

It is honestly questionable whether the man could make it in today's military heirarchy given this limitation, no joke, but then that may have been true of the antebellum U.S. as well - war tends to bring out the fighters as a peacetime military does not. You wouldn't want to invite Grant to a tea party either.

10 posted on 11/11/2002 7:28:34 AM PST by Billthedrill
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"...There, clearly in view, was Jackson's Mill! The West Fork River was still curling like a moat around the boundaries of the family home place. ...Look! He could see the little boy: tired, withdrawn, alone.

He knew where the lad was going. It was where he wanted to go. On the other side of the West Fork was the little grove of white poplars that was his solitude---and his refuge---from the cares of the world. The sanctuary beckoned to him now with an intensity he had never felt before.

"Let us cross over the river," he exclaimed, "and rest under the shade of the trees."

-Tom Jackson had come home. (Robertson, pg. 753)

11 posted on 11/11/2002 7:31:44 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: sheltonmac
A Stonewall BUMP to ya!
12 posted on 11/11/2002 7:32:26 AM PST by sola gracia
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To: stainlessbanner
"Let us cross over the river and rest under the shade of the trees." Last words spoken by General "Stonewall" Jackson.

Jackson was a great American general and a little bit of a nut (like all great generals). He had Confederate industry build thousands of pikes for battle (he never used them).
13 posted on 11/11/2002 7:36:31 AM PST by 2banana
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To: enfield
bump
14 posted on 11/11/2002 7:38:23 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
A Stonewall bump from this northern unionist. May he rest in peace.
15 posted on 11/11/2002 7:40:10 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: stainlessbanner

16 posted on 11/11/2002 7:41:50 AM PST by Polybius
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To: stainlessbanner
Thanks for the ping! Dixie Bump!!
17 posted on 11/11/2002 7:42:35 AM PST by TomServo
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To: stainlessbanner
The Virginia Military Institute will be heard from today

Jackson, at Chanchellorsville before being shot.

18 posted on 11/11/2002 7:47:17 AM PST by CatoRenasci
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To: stainlessbanner
James I. Robertson's biography Stonewall Jackson: The Man, The Soldier, The Legend is the definitive biography of this Christian soldier. There is a quote (and I apologize for paraphrasing) made at a dedication of 'the Jackson monument in New Orleans' to the effect that "God, in His sovereign plan, did ordain that the South should lose, and found it necessary to remove his servant, Stonewall Jackson..."

I am sure that the quote can be found in Shaara's God's and Generals, the prequel to Killer Angels, from which "Gettysburg" was made, and is to be a theatric release in Feb. 2003.

Warner Bros. Gods and Generals site


19 posted on 11/11/2002 7:49:14 AM PST by condi2008
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To: Polybius
Save Yo Money, Boys!
20 posted on 11/11/2002 7:49:45 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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God Bless you TJ and may you Rest in Peace
21 posted on 11/11/2002 7:53:25 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT
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To: stainlessbanner

"Let us cross over the river and rest under the shade of the trees."

22 posted on 11/11/2002 7:57:11 AM PST by angkor
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To: stainlessbanner
Stonewall's grave is in the center of the city cemetery in Lexington, Va. Stonewall was known for likeing to suck on raw lemons. Most days, when you visit the cemetery, you will see lemons on the steps of the monument.

Lexington is a great place to visit if you are a history buff. VMI is an inspriation to anyone who values honor. If you go around behind the main barracks building you can still see cannon balls in the wall. These were shot by Northern Aggressors trying to tear down a great Southern monument. There is a museum there in the basement of the chapel. The room that was Stonewall's classroom is on the first floor of the barracks and is an upper class cadets barracks room. You can't go in the barracks, except on vistor days.

Next door to VMI is Washington-Lee University. Robert E. Lee was President there after The War of Northern Aggression. Lee's tomb is in the Lee Chapel there. His horse Travler is buried just outside the back door on the right side of the Chapel. You can see the house that Lee lived in there and Traveler's stable.

23 posted on 11/11/2002 7:57:41 AM PST by Flint
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To: stainlessbanner
Now all we need is WhiskyPapa to come and tell us that Stonewall never existed.
24 posted on 11/11/2002 7:59:03 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Flint
after The War of Northern Aggression

The FIRST War of Northern Aggression

25 posted on 11/11/2002 8:00:05 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Flint
A brilliant strategist and tactician (European military schools still study his 1862 Valley campaign; his contributions at Antietam, Winchester and Chancellorsville were unsurpassed), Stonewall was not without his faults. He had a tendency to unjustly blame subordinates (Dick Garrett and AP Hill are prime examples) and at times showed an unaccustomed lethargy (his performance in the Seven Days was subpar at best). The story about his continually sucking lemons is greatly exaggerated, according to his most recent biographers.
26 posted on 11/11/2002 8:06:58 AM PST by laconic
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To: stainlessbanner

Dixie Bump!

27 posted on 11/11/2002 8:20:54 AM PST by aomagrat
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To: stainlessbanner
Jackson's "Book of Maxims," a collection of slogans and bits of wisdom he compiled as a young officer, reveals the kind of man Jackson hoped to become before the country was split by the Civil War. The book was believed to have disappeared until about 13 years ago, and copies are now available.

Who else did this? George Washington, with his Rules of Behavior.

Stonewall Jackson had a very tough early life, marked by extreme adversity and loss. It's remarkable that he was able to make anything out of himself, much less the great man he became. No surprise that he had little time for chitchat.

He was also an even more complex character than is generally known (and the popular stereotype/caricature is already pretty complex). His Mexican War experience launched him into speaking Spanish fluently and he was fascinated with Mexico. If there had been no American Civil War, or if he had not been killed in it, it's possible he would have ended up back there.

28 posted on 11/11/2002 8:33:26 AM PST by pttttt
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To: laconic
Stonewall was not without his faults

There are some intriguing Stonewall stories that run a bit counter to the hagiography. At the risk of offending the confederates here, there is an account that Stonewall had a child by a black woman. (Free or slave, I don't know.) This was supposedly after the death of his first wife and before his remarriage. I had this from a very eminent Civil War historian, not a southern hater, who was not certain of the story but tended to credit it. I wonder if anyone else has information on this.

Before Standwatie sends out a scalping party, let me acknowledge that I am a great Stonewall admirer. (And with regard to race, I know Jackson taught Sunday school to the local black children in Lexington.) I just think these characters are much more interesting in three dimensions.

29 posted on 11/11/2002 8:35:28 AM PST by sphinx
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To: stainlessbanner
Jackson's campaigns in the Shenandoah Valley in the summer of 1862 are one of the highest examples of the military art known. By rapid and daring maneuver, and skilled use of deception, he repeatedly kept a much larger enemy in the dark as to his whereabouts, and showed up with overwhelming force where least expected. On occasion, he even removed his entire army from the valley to assist Lee closer to Richmond, without the federals being aware he was gone. Had this simple modest man been at Gettysburg, history would likely have been quite different. All honor to Jackson!
30 posted on 11/11/2002 8:40:08 AM PST by thucydides
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To: sphinx
there is an account that Stonewall had a child by a black woman

It just runs counter to everything that is know about the man's character. Fornication? I don't think so. It is easier to believe of some than others.

31 posted on 11/11/2002 8:51:25 AM PST by condi2008
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To: stainlessbanner
Stonewall Bump indeed!
32 posted on 11/11/2002 9:07:18 AM PST by wardaddy
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To: stainlessbanner
No one has mentioned so far that the South was winning until Jackson was shot.
33 posted on 11/11/2002 9:07:50 AM PST by Chemnitz
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To: condi2008
It is easier to believe of some than others.

Perhaps. I've not made a study of the subject. I am aware that Jubal Early, who never married, had both a white and a black family. Don't know about the others. The antebellum South tolerated a very high degree of miscegenation. In fact, the historic southern white obsession over black men and white women is one of the clearest cases of projection one can find, given that many of those "black" men were actually pretty brown and close cousins to the local white gentry.

34 posted on 11/11/2002 9:08:15 AM PST by sphinx
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To: stainlessbanner; sola gracia
BUMP back at y'all!


Lee and His Generals

35 posted on 11/11/2002 9:18:19 AM PST by sheltonmac
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To: sphinx
Actually miscenegation was very rare in the ante-bellum South, despite all the movies.

I once read a good article in the Christian Science Monitor (I think that was the paper) which showed there were hardly any mulattoes in the South prior to the WBTS. The information was taken from the 1860 or 1850 census which listed mulattoes.

36 posted on 11/11/2002 9:21:19 AM PST by yarddog
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To: stainlessbanner
Why do I doubt that this is the original title?
37 posted on 11/11/2002 9:23:18 AM PST by sharktrager
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To: laconic
The story about his continually sucking lemons is greatly exaggerated, according to his most recent biographers.

The lemons were said to have been a treat sent to him by a Florida grower. I reckon once the sack or two of them ran out, that was it. But it can get to be a habit.


38 posted on 11/11/2002 9:25:44 AM PST by archy
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To: sheltonmac
Lee and His Generals. Written by Captain William P. Snow and published in 1867; reprinted by Random House in 1996. An interesting treatment of the subject in the immediate Reconstruction period. I strongly suspect that Gen. Lee found the title offensive (let alone Joe Johnston).
39 posted on 11/11/2002 9:28:21 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: angkor
If there is a heaven awaiting any of us, it must be a good bit like that pictured place for some of us, with a good horse, resting in a cool and pretty spot with fresh water with provisions in our saddlebags, and no fighting or other duties or worldly considerations to distract us from enjoying the moment.

I would hope there's a good hound around just out of the picture as well, a loved and favoured one.

We'll cross that river when we come to it, I suppose. I wonder if the General will be awaiting us.

-archy-/-

40 posted on 11/11/2002 9:31:36 AM PST by archy
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To: stainlessbanner
I've heard some things on this side of the Atlantic, that he would stand for hours on end rather than sit, due to his feelings about the displacement of the organs.

It is in some dispute if his habit of compressing cold towels to his body where he felt pain may have contributed to his contracting pneumonia which eventually killed him.

Regards, Ivan

41 posted on 11/11/2002 9:32:04 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: yarddog
The one exception to the rule that there were few mixed race people is Louisiana. There was a very active mixed race society. This primarily was the result of wealthy landowners who kept a second family seperate from their white family.

These men customarily took women who were themselves mixed race. There were regular "quadroon balls" where mothers would take their daughters so they could be paired with a wealthy landowner.

Given the dilution of the black genetic heritage, there were many who could present themselves as white. Usually these people would leave the south altogether and reestablish themselves up north. There are, in fact, many people who are not at all aware of their black heritage.
42 posted on 11/11/2002 9:33:21 AM PST by sharktrager
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To: stainlessbanner
Sounds like he suffered from Asperger's syndrome.
43 posted on 11/11/2002 9:35:15 AM PST by StolarStorm
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To: angkor
A man I would not like to cross.

His troops loved him, that says a lot.


44 posted on 11/11/2002 9:42:30 AM PST by AnAmericanMother
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To: All
In the unheralded cold war between introverts and extroverts, I am happy to have the illustrious General Jackson on my side. Small talk? Chitchat?...who needs it!
45 posted on 11/11/2002 9:47:10 AM PST by Drawsing
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To: sphinx
It is easier to believe of some than others.

I was thinking that if we had before us, for example, the Impeached Ex-President Clinton and George W. Bush; and someone said, "One of them has fathered a child out of wedlock" we might find it easier to believe of the former than of the latter.

The antebellum South tolerated a very high degree of miscegenation.

I still think that as a truly devoted Christian (Presbyterian, BTW), he would not have followed the prevailing culture, whatever it may have been, but the Holy Scriptures, which forbid fornication.

46 posted on 11/11/2002 9:59:08 AM PST by condi2008
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To: stainlessbanner
BTTT
47 posted on 11/11/2002 10:26:15 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: stainlessbanner
Very interesting - thanks for posting!

"I like liquor - its taste and its effects - and that is just the reason why I never drink it."
Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson

48 posted on 11/11/2002 10:27:56 AM PST by agrandis
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To: AppyPappy
LOL! Or WhiskeyPapa will say that he had a swastika and a photo of Hitler on his wall. Or that he sacrificed small children to Satan. And then he'll take the quote I posted in #48, and just post "I like liquor..." and tell us all Jackson was a sot!

BTW, here's another one from Jackson:

"People who are anxious to bring on war don't know what they are bargaining for; they don't see all the horrors that must accompany such an event."

The world should have heeded those words in 1915 and 1916, and we would never have had Hitler, or the soviet Bloc, or Red China, or many other evils.

49 posted on 11/11/2002 10:38:42 AM PST by agrandis
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Haven't read that one.
50 posted on 11/11/2002 10:48:16 AM PST by sheltonmac
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