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Ancient Map Of Africa Poses Questions
cooltech.iafrica ^ | 11-12-2002

Posted on 11/12/2002 8:21:38 AM PST by blam

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I've read that there was an ancient large lake in Africa, don't remember any details though.
1 posted on 11/12/2002 8:21:38 AM PST by blam
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Zheng He's journey is well-known, so that's no surprise. I guess what is shocking is the dating.

Madagascar is populated by a mix of black/Malay. The Malays got there before the Chinese, if I'm not mistaken.
2 posted on 11/12/2002 8:26:51 AM PST by Skywalk
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OK, that is great and will work well within our plans.

Blacks in this country can have reparations, but ONLY after they get paid reprations by the Chinese. Heh heh heh...

3 posted on 11/12/2002 8:30:11 AM PST by ikka
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I'm surprised anyone is surprised by this, honestly. It may not be common knowledge, I suppose, but the Chinese engaged in several great voyages of discovery in the 12'th and 13'th centuries, including to Africa, Australia, and the South Pacific.

Two good books on the Chinese travels to Africa, for people interested in learning more, are Philip Snow's "The Star Raft" and J.J.L. Duyvendak's "China's Discovery of Africa"...

4 posted on 11/12/2002 8:32:05 AM PST by general_re
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I don't get it -- yes, this is an early map. And as such it shows that Chinese people were sailing around the continent.

But are we really to believe that all those seafaring Phoenecians, Egyptians, Carthaginians, Arabs, Greeks, Israelites, Indians, earlier Chinese, and no doubt a host of others, never rode a boat along the east or west coasts of Africa? Hell, it'd be coastal sailing the entire way. An adventure, no doubt, but well within the means of the ancient sailors.

This is interesting stuff, but it's a little too breathless for me.

5 posted on 11/12/2002 8:34:33 AM PST by r9etb
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Zheng He, a eunuch who never travelled with fewer than 300 ships, the biggest carrying 1000 people, is long known to have visited Asia, India, Gulf countries, and Somalia, from where he took back giraffes and lions.

Looks like there is an advantage in having home base in a country with a very large population.

BTW, I've heard there aren't enough marriageable women in China. Are the Chinese young men sending for mail order brides now? Or are the Chinese leaders planning to launch some ships to travel the world and take home young females?

6 posted on 11/12/2002 8:36:58 AM PST by syriacus
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If this is a map of Africa and Madagascar it is by far the worst ever created. Maybe the early Chinese were great explorers but they were terrible map makers.
7 posted on 11/12/2002 8:45:47 AM PST by Between the Lines
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I'm surprised anyone is surprised by this, honestly. It may not be common knowledge, I suppose, but the Chinese engaged in several great voyages of discovery in the 12'th and 13'th centuries, including to Africa, Australia, and the South Pacific.

Just another set of...

FINGERPRINTS OF THE GODS.

Look, there are maps, known to be genuine, which document not only Africa, but ANTARTICA, and the latter continent's surface now covered under a mile thick ice cap. (The Piri Reis Map of the World, made in 1513, 300 years before Antarctica was "discovered")

Even the US Air Force is baffled by it.

8 posted on 11/12/2002 8:51:42 AM PST by Lael
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This is Luzia, the oldest dated human skeleton, 11,500 years old, ever found in the Americas, Brazil.

(I'll bet some of my retirement money that she didn't, walk over here.)

9 posted on 11/12/2002 8:54:06 AM PST by blam
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10 posted on 11/12/2002 9:03:34 AM PST by blam
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Or are the Chinese leaders planning to launch some ships to travel the world and take home young females?

Invade Pakistan, kill all the Muslim men, take the women (who, I'm sure, would prefer to toss the burkhas in the trash)

11 posted on 11/12/2002 9:04:20 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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I've said this many times before...

The Old Testament is a historical document. I believe that we are the descendants of the culture(s) that existed then, (No I'm not on the Zitchin alien bandwagon). There's a good deal of circumstantial evidence to support this. Only time, and the honesty of the scientific community will tell.

There have also been some interesting discoveries off the west coast of Cuba. Apparently there are what appear to be "obvious" ruins under 2000+ feet of water. 2000 feet of water cannot be accounted for by glacial melting. We're talking catastrophic change. I can't vouch for the validity of the story, but the company that made the discovery was - I believe - testing out new equipment when they made the discovery. They don't appear to have an agenda. Atlantis may have been real after all...

12 posted on 11/12/2002 9:19:47 AM PST by NEJake
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The ancient Aztec ruins in Mexico's Yucatan have statuary with jade eyes... ostensibly as a result of very early trade with the Chinese. Deposits of jade are found in the Orient, not Mexico.
13 posted on 11/12/2002 9:35:27 AM PST by Gargantua
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Deposits of jade are found in the Orient, not Mexico.

Apparently you missed this...

14 posted on 11/12/2002 9:47:24 AM PST by Interesting Times
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This is not news. The book, The Explorers by Neil (?) Boorstein discussed the Chinese explorers years ago. The problem with the Chinese, however, is that they gave expensive gifts to all peoples they met to show how beneficent their Emperor was.

As a result, they quickly ran out of money for more exploration. The Europeans were much more practical. They stole everything that wasn't tacked down wherever they went. Therefore, European exploration was a self-financing operation.

As Deep Throat said, "Follow the money." It explains a lot.

Congressman Billybob

"to Restore Trust in America"

15 posted on 11/12/2002 9:53:42 AM PST by Congressman Billybob
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"Apparently there are what appear to be "obvious" ruins under 2000+ feet of water. 2000 feet of water cannot be accounted for by glacial melting. We're talking catastrophic change. I can't vouch for the validity of the story, but the company that made the discovery was - I believe - testing out new equipment when they made the discovery. They don't appear to have an agenda. "

They wre hired by the Cuban government to search for sunken Spanish treasure ships when they made this discovery.

2000 feet of water cannot be accounted for by glacial melting. "

I have an idea about the 2200 ft depth. I think that the Gulf Of Mexico was blocked off from the world's oceans during the Ice Age and dried out to a lower but stable level. The structures that are now 2200 ft below the surface were in fact built on dry land that was, at that time, the coast of the (reduced water level) Gulf.
Now, as the Ice Age ended, the melting water rose and breached the 'dam' that isolated the Gulf submerging the recently found structures. I think 2200 ft is to great to have subsided.

I also believe that what-ever happened to Atlantis is related to the end of the Ice Age. In my opinion, Atlantis is very old, maybe 15,000 years old or older.

The National Geographic Society had pledged $2 million to the exploration company to investigate these structures but were pressured by the US State department to withdraw because they were affiliated with the communist Cuban government. So... (don't know when we'll know something?)

16 posted on 11/12/2002 10:54:12 AM PST by blam
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"Apparently you missed this..."

Thanks, I looked for that but couldn't find it.

17 posted on 11/12/2002 10:56:13 AM PST by blam
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Big boat. Hard to really judge from that drawing, but I'm guessing the draft was at least twenty feet or so...
18 posted on 11/12/2002 11:13:12 AM PST by general_re
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Thanks. It's been awhile since I looked for any news on this...

Too bad about the problem with Cuba. This has the look of being the "real deal". Whether or not it has anything to do with Atlantis is less important than the find itself. Imagine finding a city over 15,000 years old!

19 posted on 11/12/2002 11:42:02 AM PST by NEJake
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