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Anti-Tax Group Makes 'Final Warning' to Federal Government
CNSNews.com ^ | November 15, 2002 | Michael L. Betsch

Posted on 11/15/2002 7:42:45 AM PST by H8DEMS

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To: Poohbah
OK...one more time: who has the authority to appoint anyone to any specific rank within a given state's militia?

The States. Normally it's the governor of a state, but the Constitution doesn't stipulate that. It would depend on the specific wording of each state's laws regarding the appointment of officers and training of the militia. Now will you tell us what your point is?

141 posted on 11/15/2002 5:51:26 PM PST by mvpel
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To: mvpel
OK, does Joe Six-Pack of the trailer park have the authority to appoint himself a flag-rank officer in the state militia?
142 posted on 11/15/2002 5:54:15 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
OK...one more time: who has the authority to appoint anyone to any specific rank within a given state's militia?

I am still wondering why you are asking this question. I imagine you think state militias actually exist. If that be the case, let me inform you that they have, for all practical purposes, went the way of the Dodo bird. The National Guard (a branch of the U.S. Army funded under the power to raise armies) is the modern day "replacement" for the state militias. National Guard officers are commissioned, generally, through direct appointment (certain specialties only, such as JAG and Medical), through Army ROTC, through OCS and WOCS, and through graduation from the United States Military Academy at West Point.

143 posted on 11/15/2002 5:57:45 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: PhilipFreneau
I am still wondering why you are asking this question.

Let me ask you this: can Joe Six-Pack appoint himself a flag officer in his state's militia?

144 posted on 11/15/2002 6:07:16 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
If that is permitted under state law respecting the appointment of officers and the training of the militia, then yes. It's usually not, though.
145 posted on 11/15/2002 6:19:06 PM PST by mvpel
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To: Poohbah
Let me ask you this: can Joe Six-Pack appoint himself a flag officer in his state's militia?

Sure 'nuff.

And I just appointed myself the "All-Being Master of Time, Space and Dimension".

:)

My appointment is about as meaningful as his.

146 posted on 11/15/2002 6:27:28 PM PST by LibKill
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To: mvpel
If that is permitted under state law respecting the appointment of officers and the training of the militia, then yes. It's usually not, though.

I'd like to see the list of states where it is. I believe that the cardinality of the set "States that let Joe Six-Pack appoint himself to officer rank in the militia" is zero.

And when you look at these militias, they have officers. Heck, they have generals as platoon leaders.

147 posted on 11/15/2002 6:27:41 PM PST by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
*You do not have a Constitutional right to engage in armed rebellion against tyranny

Does the Declaration of Independence mean anything to you?

"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"

FR is a conservative site and because you are a moderate you should go elsewhere.

148 posted on 11/15/2002 6:59:22 PM PST by jwh_Denver
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To: jwh_Denver

Poohbah(#45): You do not have a Constitutional right to engage in armed rebellion against tyranny. You have a moral right to do so;

jwh_Denver: Does the Declaration of Independence mean anything to you?

jD, Partial and out of context quotation is poor form, and easily spotted in a forum format. Does ethics and virtue mean anything to you?

149 posted on 11/15/2002 7:15:41 PM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: jwh_Denver
PS

Get a clue, the Constitution does not grant rights, therefore no "Constitutional" rights. The Constitution merely undewrites that which existed long before a Constitution.
150 posted on 11/15/2002 7:18:41 PM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: steve50
Why is the ADL painting income tax protestors as crazy right wing extremists? They got a dog in this fight?

Yeah they do. It's called aid to ISRAEL. Without tax dollars---no money for the Hebrews.

151 posted on 11/15/2002 7:50:37 PM PST by Radioactive
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To: mlo
Then what do you call this? "The following items of gross income shall be treated as income from sources within the United States:" ... "(3) Personal services" "Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United States;..."

Sorry to inform you but just because someone decides to put something into a code---it still does not trump the CONSTITUTION. And the CONSTITUTION states that taxes can only be levied by congress and must be APPORTIONED. So goodbye to the damned Communist manifesto progessive income tax that steals the wealth of the country and makes us all slaves.

152 posted on 11/15/2002 7:55:40 PM PST by Radioactive
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To: ancient_geezer
*Partial and out of context quotation is poor form

Next time I'll copy paste the whole thing.

Does intelligence mean anything to you?
153 posted on 11/15/2002 8:00:17 PM PST by jwh_Denver
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To: Radioactive
Sorry to inform you but just because someone decides to put something into a code---it still does not trump the CONSTITUTION. And the CONSTITUTION states that taxes can only be levied by congress and must be APPORTIONED. So goodbye to the damned Communist manifesto progessive income tax that steals the wealth of the country and makes us all slaves.

Bad news. Congress passed that statute I cited, and the 16th Ammendment says they don't have to be apportioned.

154 posted on 11/15/2002 8:10:37 PM PST by mlo
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To: tdadams
If that's the case, then bring the sheriff with you and start making arrests. Otherwise, you're engaging in blatant slander and someone should haul your a$$ into court.

To quote Jonah Jameson from Spiderman "Slander is spoken; in print it's libel" :)

155 posted on 11/15/2002 8:11:29 PM PST by Centurion2000
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To: ancient_geezer
*Get a clue, the Constitution does not grant rights

The Constitution does not grant rights? How about freedom of speech? Or worshipping the way you want to? The right to bear arms?

Either you have forgot everything you learned about the Constitution or you are a product of our educational boxed commie. End of debate, I do not waste my time with heads full of loose screws.
156 posted on 11/15/2002 8:12:45 PM PST by jwh_Denver
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To: Poohbah
I'd like to see the list of states where it is. I believe that the cardinality of the set "States that let Joe Six-Pack appoint himself to officer rank in the militia" is zero. And when you look at these militias, they have officers. Heck, they have generals as platoon leaders.

You sound confused. Prior to the federal government usurping militia power from the states and the people and handing it over to the U.S. Army, the militia consisted of all adult males, with most of the power maintained in the states. "Joe Six-Pack", while not adhering strictly to the "letter of the law", is probably more in line with the original intent of the Constitution than the modern day federal government and their state government tag-a-longs. Too bad there are not enough good men in America to help "Joe Six-Pack" steer the governments back in line.

BTW, the National Guard is a Select Militia, which the founders mentioned in the Federalist Papers. It is not the militia of intent since it provides no protection of the people from tyrannical government.

157 posted on 11/15/2002 8:20:25 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: jwh_Denver
The Constitution does not grant rights? How about freedom of speech? Or worshipping the way you want to? The right to bear arms? Either you have forgot everything you learned about the Constitution or you are a product of our educational boxed commie. End of debate, I do not waste my time with heads full of loose screws.

The Constitution does not grant rights. Rights are endowed by our Creator, as plainly stated in the Declaration of Independence. Governments are instituted among men to secure those rights.

158 posted on 11/15/2002 8:24:34 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: Radioactive
Why is the ADL painting income tax protestors as crazy right wing extremists?

Well, for one thing, Schulz and his buddies are talking about bringing a million armed people into DC and overthrowing the government by force.

159 posted on 11/15/2002 8:25:24 PM PST by DonQ
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To: mvpel
All that verbiage to get to this punchline:

"And examining 26 CFR 1.861-8T, the regulations that cover how to compute taxable income from sources within the US, we find at (d)(2)(iii) a list of what is not exempt from taxation, all of which are in regard to foreign, international, or possessions income."

What will you find if you look at 26CFR1.861? Right at the top:

Sec. 1.861-1 Income from sources within the United States.

(a) Categories of income. Part I (section 861 and following), subchapter N, chapter 1 of the Code, and the regulations thereunder determine the sources of income for purposes of the income tax...

(1) Within the United States. The gross income from sources within the United States, consisting of the items of gross income specified in section 861(a) plus the items of gross income allocated or apportioned to such sources in accordance with section 863(a)...

And what is in 861(a)?

"Compensation for labor or personal services performed in the United States"

And none of those sections apply to income earned by US citizens working exclusively in the US.

Wrong again.

160 posted on 11/15/2002 8:40:58 PM PST by mlo
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