Uncle Ali: Palestinian Moslem, Gnostic, Nazi, Mentor and Friend

astrologyforthepeople.com ^ | October 01, 2002 | Holger Werner

[Asclepius]

... racist based on the fact that I can read the ramblings of another without becoming furious at his misguided and incorrect beliefs?

Oh, good point. That was way too personal. I'm probably going to get banned. Oh, well. Permit me to revise my characterization: you are a simply a misguided individual who could benefit from developing his critical reading skills.

Oh, well. I'll probably still get banned.

Like I said previously, I think you need to relax a little. With an attitude like that, you certainly WILL see enemies under every rock ...

Forbear. Antisemetism brings out the worst in me.

[Cvengr]

Rather than forbidding the article from seeing the light of day, expose the article for the evil it contains by exposing it to the light.

I found the article interesting. Many gnostic and New Age paths historically lead to contradictory positions, but one common theme seems to remain. They all seem to attack Israel even from contradictiry viewpoints. For this reason I tend to believe they reveal a Satanic source much more closely related to possible supernatural origins and evil deception than simply an evil man-made construct.

For these reasons, it's good to expose these counterfeit plans to light and label them evil. Do you disagree?

[Cvengr]

The below quote was the first portion of the article as a forewarning. I believe it sufficiently casts the article in the appropriate light to even be in full agreement with your interpretation.

"KNOW YOUR ENEMY WARNING: THE FOLLOWING POST IS INTENDED TO HIGHLIGHT THE LINK BETWEEN ISLAM, NAZISM and ISLAM'S ORIGIN WITHIN THE GNOSTIC-OCCULT HERESY "

[xJones]

After WWI, many Germans retreated into gnostic beliefs. Paul Johnson, in his book "Modern Times" had a strange quote by T.S. Lawrence writing from Berlin in 1923. Lawrence was a rather strange person himself, but he wrote that "you could feel it in the night air". A sense that Germany had ceased looking towards the West, but "was ebbing back towards the East, towards the old ways".

They certainly were. The *beliefs* of the Nazi hierarchy were an amazing mishmash of assorted gnostic teaching. The Sword of Longanus, the search for the Holy Grail, all beliefs suspending rationality and calling on some *hidden wisdom* known only to the initiates. Accounts of secret SS rites are eerie, to say the least. And during this, the Arabs were courted and fitted right in.

...but one common theme seems to remain. They all seem to attack Israel even from contradictiry viewpoints. For this reason I tend to believe they reveal a Satanic source much more closely related to possible supernatural origins and evil deception than simply an evil man-made construct.

You nailed it.

[cornelis]

This article is exactly what nazi-muslims think

A forum can, under the rubric of criticism and analysis, end up trumpeting more strange views that views to be emulated. Why don't you post some Feyerabend, Asclepius, so I can fume against his anarchism.

[TopQuark]

You did not read my warning did you?
Apology in order by you to me I think.

I am sure you are correct: he simply missed it. In fact, I think you were particularly diligent not to leave any doubt about your motives for posting this.

Thanks for the post, Destro.

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[BlackVeil]

Very fascinating stuff. I agree with you about these links (gnostics/occultists/nazis/islamists), but I differ in that I do not see that as a mainstream Islamic belief. However, many of these medieval heresies, and secret sects within the Church such as the Templars, appear to have been influenced by Islamic beliefs. They also (especially in the case of the Templars) may have picked up on Jewish occultism, in the form of the Kabbalah and notions of the secret Temple.

Do you know about Otto Rahn? His odd life, strange quest, and even stranger death are quite a story.

[BlackVeil]

Thanks for the quote from Lawrence. As you say, he was a bit of an odd one himself. I believe that L. got to know something of these esoteric beliefs because he worked in the Middle East as an archeologist, especially on the crusader fortresses in Lebanon and Syria. Those towers are surrounded by legends, and as someone who could speak both Arabic and French L. would have heard it all.

[thatdewd]

Please remember I post this only to illuminate the threat to Western civilization posed by these groups...

That seems plain enough. Very interesting article. Sorry I missed all the fun this morning. The Department of Defense publishes booklets for soldiers entitled: "Know Your Enemy", and I can't see a bit of difference in that and what you've done here. It is always a good idea to understand the warped thinking of one's enemies. It is a characteristic of the best soldiers. Good post.

[happygrl]

Thanks for posting this insightful link, Destro. As Cvengr and xJones have posted, I think we see the hand of the Evil One in all these belief systems.

Holger, the writer of this piece, may be the face of the new accomodationists in Europe as they assimilate the Muslims in their midst (rather than the other way around).

[Asclepius]

... Why don't you post some Feyerabend, Asclepius, so I can fume against his anarchism ...

Simply use your library card. You can read all the Feyerabend you wish, and you can fume all you want.

[cornelis]

This is true. Thanks for the reminder. Or how about Google? I did mean to support your position, but that didn't matter?

[Asclepius]

I did mean to support your position, but that didn't matter?

It matters. And it is appreciated.

[sheik yerbouty]

Louie is still waiting for the mothership..

[Destro]

He was and probably remains a ret*rd.

[sheik yerbouty]

I'd like him better if he were "remains"

[dennisw]

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