Thirty-nine years after JFK's assassination...

St Paul Pioneer (de)Press ^ | 11/21/02 | MARIANNE MEANS

[SoCal Pubbie]

What does Lancer stand for, Lunatics Assembled to Negotiate the Conspiracy's Never-ending Revisions?

[Shooter 2.5]

I'll be there tomorrow at noon standing next to the Zapruder Column if you're going to be in town. I should have talked to Jim and see if he was able to go. I didn't make any long range plans because I'm still a little messed up from falling off a roof. Just a bruised ribcage and a tiny puncture on my leg.

[reagandemocrat]

I'm no expert; but looking at the autopsy photos and after seeing the Zapruder film, along with Gerald Ford's admission that he altered his Warren Commission report to state the bullet entered Kennedy's neck (rather than his back) I have serious doubts about the "single bullet theory".

[mlo]

I think the makers of the video really made a mistake in using VHS. It would have been a great computer program.

I've spoken to Dale Meyers before, and I know he's working on something he says is an improvement on the video.

[tpaine]

Whoever killed JFK has been able to sustain a decades-long coverup. -JN-

Yep. And they have, because the Warren Report investigation itself was the start of the coverup.

But you *presume* the existence of a cover-up. That is not how you start. Shooter is correct, you must start with the crime itself. -mlo-

The Warren Report did exactly that. Ineptly. -- Anyone who believes the report is based on unbiased fact is in denial, and making an act of faith in the face of obvious governmental meddling with the evidence.
Why did the government 'cover up'? -- Your guess is as good as mine. But they did meddle. - They may have even had an incorrect reason for doing so.
[IE, - Fred25's theory, - they covered up for the KGB, to prevent WWIII]

[mlo]

What does Lancer stand for, Lunatics Assembled to Negotiate the Conspiracy's Never-ending Revisions?

LOL. "Lancer" was President Kennedy's Secret Service call sign.

[mlo]

I won't be there. Although I find the case interesting, and you know about my involvement, I can think of lots of other things I'd rather do with my vacation budget :-)

I don't know what all they do at Lancer. I do know there a a few keynote speeches, including one from Dr. Thomas again, and that attendees usually end up in the plaza at some point.

[Shooter 2.5]

There were a lot of notes taken by doctors and the person who did the autopsy. The correct measurement from the final report is five inches below the mastoid process which is the bony part behind the ear. The bullet clipped the knot on his tie after passing through. That's where the confusion comes in about whether is was a "neck" wound or a "back" wound. The same thing happened when the officer saw the rifle for the first time. He thought initially it was a Mauser while it was laying between the boxes. Naturally, it's a Carcano.

Do you still think the Beltway Sniper is a white guy because that's what the investigators originally thought?

[mlo]

I'm no expert; but looking at the autopsy photos and after seeing the Zapruder film,

The expert interpretation of the autopsy photographs and materials (all of them, not just the handful that have been leaked) has consistently been two shots from above and behind.

The Z-film shows a very sudden head jerk *forward* at frame 313 followed by a much more gradual fall backwards.

along with Gerald Ford's admission that he altered his Warren Commission report to state the bullet entered Kennedy's neck (rather than his back)

This is one of the more recent misrepresentations that have made the rounds. Ford admitted to no such thing, and did no such thing. There were a multitude of editorial changes in the writing of the report. It was written by staffers and then reviewed by the committee, who made suggestions for changes. One of these involved the precise wording describing the location of the back wound. Ford's suggested change did NOT move the location, it only used a clearer description of the same location. It was also not the version that was eventually put in the report.

[Shooter 2.5]

This is going to be my first time in attending on the anniversary date.

I did notice once people find out how close the so-called "Grassy knoll" is, they change their minds about anyone hiding there. When people look out the window and realize what an easy shot it was, they know they've been lied to all these years by the theorists. I know people who shoot pistols at clay pigeons on the ground at 60 yards away who think he could have used a scoped pistol.

[tpaine]

I'm no expert; but looking at the autopsy photos and after seeing the Zapruder film, along with Gerald Ford's admission that he altered his Warren Commission report to state the bullet entered Kennedy's neck (rather than his back) I have serious doubts about the "single bullet theory".
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JFKs clothes don't lie. Somewhere in the 'report' are photos & detailed measurements from his shirt/jacket. They prove a back wound to low to exit the throat, from the snipers nest line in the Depository.
- Connally did not 'line up', either.

[mlo]

[tpaine]

That 'line' has no basis in reality. - Angle is wrong.
The snipers window was higher, and further to the left.

Maybe Oswald shot that from the second story lunchroom of the building to the left, across the street from the depository, looking straight down Elm? - Yep, sure.

[mlo]

That line goes right back to the sixth floor window.

[HIDEK6]

Meyer Lansky, Bugsy Seigel, Lucky Lucciano, et al?

Aren't they all dead?

[Shooter 2.5]

I think the jump seat was a little lower than shown but that's from my memory. That's the website that made the most of the way the assassination happened. I crashed my computer last week and lost all of my bookmarks so I couldn't refer back to it. It was a little aggravating because I can answer most of the questions but I can't provide the links.


Did the company mention a date on a revived version? I hope he wasn't just considering a DVD version.

[Mind-numbed Robot]

This is completely false. You are imagining something that didn't happen.

Not so. Although you may be correct about the book titles, etc., I never was confident in those anyway, but I know I saw a documentary as I described. Now you are going to force me to do the unthinkable, research.

[Mind-numbed Robot]

Speaking of the autopsy, any thoughts about the missing JFK brain or it that a rumor also? (serious question)

[mlo]

Speaking of the autopsy, any thoughts about the missing JFK brain or it that a rumor also? (serious question)

That one is not just a rumor, but you never hear the whole story. The brain is missing, in that we don't know for sure where it is right now. However, it isn't a complete mystery what happened to it.

Robert Kennedy had legal control over all the medical records and material, including the brain and other biological material like slides. To this day all you need to go see the full set of autopsy photos in the National Archives is permission from Edward Kennedy. They are not controlled by the government.

There is a paper trail that connects the brain being removed from the National Archives, along with all other biological material, to Robert Kennedy. What exactly he did with it we don't know. It is probable he had it interred with the body when the body was moved at the time the current grave site was completed.

[mlo]

Did the company mention a date on a revived version? I hope he wasn't just considering a DVD version.

It wasn't just a DVD version, he was working on something new. He didn't give me many details, and what he did say I don't recall too clearly. He was talking to me at the time to get some information from me, and he didn't give out much of his own. I do recall him saying it would be better than the simulation he'd already done.