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Best friend, indeed: Dogs take human cues better than chimps
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | 11-22-02

Posted on 11/22/2002 10:34:10 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic

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For all the dog lovers out there! We knew this all the while....
1 posted on 11/22/2002 10:34:10 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: blam; 2Trievers; anniegetyourgun
Something lighter for you....
2 posted on 11/22/2002 10:35:19 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
They can understand English IMHO.
3 posted on 11/22/2002 10:36:04 AM PST by weikel
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To: WIladyconservative; gorush; Cultural Canary
ping
4 posted on 11/22/2002 10:36:28 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: weikel
They can understand English IMHO.

My dog really enjoys watching televison, especially when other dogs, or horses or cows are in the show.

5 posted on 11/22/2002 10:38:08 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Perhaps the canine ability to accurately read visual cues from humans comes from our common heritage of being social hunters. Chimps on the otherhand need each other for little more than picking ticks off each other.
6 posted on 11/22/2002 10:38:13 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: afraidfortherepublic
My dog knows in an instant if I am happy or displeased with her. I believe that she feels shame when she accidently pees on the carpet (usually my fault for not checking the room and leaving her closed up in it).
7 posted on 11/22/2002 10:39:11 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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To: weikel
They can understand English IMHO.

I used to spell in front of my Golden if I didn't want her to get excited. Her vocabulary included:
Ball
Bone
Cookie
Bird
Look
Let's go
Out

She became stone deaf in her elder years and we didn't even realize it for about a year because she responded to our body language so well.

8 posted on 11/22/2002 10:40:06 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: 1Old Pro
Sweet like Arnold the pig from green acres.
9 posted on 11/22/2002 10:40:42 AM PST by weikel
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Say it ain't so...

10 posted on 11/22/2002 10:41:59 AM PST by Joe 6-pack
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Perhaps Michael Jackson should take note...
11 posted on 11/22/2002 10:41:59 AM PST by mhking
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Fascinating
12 posted on 11/22/2002 10:42:39 AM PST by jodorowsky
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Thanks for posting this- I just saw this article and hoped that it was already posted.

Dog lovers bump!

13 posted on 11/22/2002 10:44:14 AM PST by mafree
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To: 1Old Pro
My dog really enjoys watching televison, especially when other dogs, or horses or cows are in the show.

My current dog does too. He pays no attention to the TV unless there is a dog. He seems to notice the dog, even if the dog is quiet. He really gets excited if the dog barks, and he runs over to look behind the set to see if he can find the animal.

This morning he became very interested because there were howling wolves on a commercial. This particular dog is totally quiet himself -- never barks, howls, or whines (although he can). But he lifts his head right up as if he understands the language when a dog or a wolf is vocalizing on TV.

14 posted on 11/22/2002 10:44:22 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SpaceBar
You took the words right out of my mouth. Dogs are pack animals. Their survival depends on taking cues from the dominant animal,in this case, humans. Primates, on the other hand, function in social units but can survive by their individual wits and rely less on external cues from other primates or one another.
15 posted on 11/22/2002 10:44:37 AM PST by stanz
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To: SpaceBar
Chimps on the other hand need each other for little more than picking ticks off each other.

Kinda like Democrats.

16 posted on 11/22/2002 10:45:16 AM PST by elbucko
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To: afraidfortherepublic
We just got a 2+ old from the humane society about a month ago.....her history had her locked in a fenced back yard mostly...she does NOT know how to play, BUT, she seems to know English. We're already spelling, and add to your list, "squirrel," "get," "bed," "outside," "lay down," "shake," etc.

Story.....we had a cocker spaniel once, who, when asked where my missing watch was (it had been missing for a couple of days, and as I was applying make-up in my bathroom, I casually was talking to him)......he left the room and returned in a minute, WITH MY WATCH in HIS MOUTH.

Who would want a CHIMP for a friend, when you can have a dog, anyway?
18 posted on 11/22/2002 10:49:00 AM PST by goodnesswins
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To: mafree
I just saw this article and hoped that it was already posted.

Thanks. It wasn't easy! I saw the article at McDonald's on the way to work, but it wasn't listed in JSOnline. Dogs and chimps in the search engine brought it forward, however. It's the best news that I have read all day, considering all the slughter in the world!

19 posted on 11/22/2002 10:50:12 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I have to spell in front ofmy dogs, too. They understand:

Outside.
Ride.
Dog(s).
Food.
Treat.
Leash.
and most ominously :

Cute.

20 posted on 11/22/2002 10:50:19 AM PST by kaylar
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Thanks. Good read.

BTW, I feel more secure on an airline flight that I know baggage sniffing dogs were used rather than just the X-rays. For my money, you can throw out the X-ray machines AND the security screeners. Just use trained dogs. Any person a dog don't want to fly with, I don't want to fly with either.

21 posted on 11/22/2002 10:50:30 AM PST by elbucko
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To: mafree
slughter = slaughter
23 posted on 11/22/2002 10:51:04 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: stanz
But wolves are pack animals, too, and the article said they don't have the same ability...maybe it's just that they don't recognize humans as pack leaders?
24 posted on 11/22/2002 10:54:28 AM PST by ellery
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To: weikel
My old dog could lip read and spell. He loved to go for "W - A - L - K" 's.
25 posted on 11/22/2002 10:54:29 AM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Yep, they're incredible. I love training dogs, and my very smart collie responds to both voice and sign language for the same set of commands. This allows me to 'speak' to him even without using my voice. It impresses people that I can get him to sit from across the room - because they never see the very unobtrusive hand signal I use!
26 posted on 11/22/2002 10:55:18 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: TonyRo76
ROFLMAO! They sure do!
27 posted on 11/22/2002 10:55:42 AM PST by elbucko
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To: RAT Patrol
Had to spell in front of my dogs, too. The fact is that dogs are better people than most people (i.e. more faithful, loving, forgiving, etc...). My wife is not thrilled about having them around, but I tell her that it is just plain un-American to grow up without a dog.

P.S. Cat lovers suck!
28 posted on 11/22/2002 11:01:37 AM PST by Thorondir
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To: goodnesswins
he left the room and returned in a minute, WITH MY WATCH in HIS MOUTH.

I have a similar story. I used to keep peacocks. One night I failed to lock them in the barn, and the next morning the leader of the flock was missing. I fretted for a couple of days, but my husband kept saying that the bird was probably just exploring the neighborhood. Finally, in frustration, I turned to the dog and said, "Where's the bird? Where's Danny Boy?"

My golden looked quizzickly at me, as if to say, "Oh, is that why you're so sad? I'll show you..." and off she ran, with her nose to the ground, criss-crossing my long driveway. She stopped with her nose in the grass close to the road. I walked down there and said, "Don't be stupid, that grass is too short for the bird to hide." Then I looked where she was pointing and found six tiny broken feathers that looked a lot like neck feathers. When my husband got home, he found the rest of the very dead bird in the brush across the road where a fox had dragged it.

I get teary when I tell this story because I'm sure the bird saved the rest of the flock by leading the fox down the drive while they escaped to their perches in the barn. Also, I do not know how my dog could track that particular bird when there had been 8 other birds running all over the place? How did my dog know that that was the bird I was looking for? and I'm so sorry that I told my dog she was stupid!

It gives me chills to remember this.

29 posted on 11/22/2002 11:02:40 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: goodnesswins
We just got a 2+ old from the humane society about a month ago

We adopted a 2 year old from Golden Retriever Rescue of Wisconsin in April. I thought I'd never have another dog after my other Golden died at 15 1/2, but I finally broke down and took on Max. He comes to the office with us every day and is just wonderful. He doesn't make us think of our other dog at all -- he's just different and wonderful in other ways. I do slip and call him Terra sometimes and wonder why he doesn't respond! :~)

30 posted on 11/22/2002 11:07:59 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: RAT Patrol
Yes, we have to be careful about using the "W" word around my house, or my Shar Pei will go tail-wagging to the front door making needy whimper sounds. So, in casual conversation we call them 'strolls'.

We keep her beloved leash and that evil ear-cleaning solution in the same closet. Her complete and undivided attention is focused on that door every time we open it.


32 posted on 11/22/2002 11:12:15 AM PST by Diverdogz
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To: weikel
The can definitely understand English. I inheritied a mutt from a Latin ex-girlfriend. She (the dog) does not respond to commands in English. I have to say "vamos" (forgive me I don't know the Spanish spelling) to get her to come to the door for a walk, "asiento" to get her to sit, and "veni a ca" to get her to come. She does not understand or respond to the English equivalents.
33 posted on 11/22/2002 11:14:09 AM PST by WaveThatFlag
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Smart dogs? Phhht!! If following your "master" is a sign of intelligence, then dogs are Einsteins, but I'd say that the free-spirited cats are smarter with their "I'll do what I want to do" attitude ;o). My cat has a seemingly endless vocabulary, everything from "food" (which results in a race for the kitchen) to "veterinarian" (which puts her into hostile "catch me if you can" mode) to "lap" (which is recognized as the "now he's going to read a book, and I'll snuggle up in his lap" signal). Since my father's cat understood everything they said, my siblings had to spell "FISH" (his favourite food). When my brother started school and started with the alphabet he used to say "A-B-C-D-E-F-I-S-H" :)

signed: The humble servant of the Persian Chinchilla Freya

(okay, dogs ARE smart, and I do love them too)

34 posted on 11/22/2002 11:17:12 AM PST by anguish
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To: WaveThatFlag
LOL I was right.
35 posted on 11/22/2002 11:17:40 AM PST by weikel
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To: anguish
Dogs understand vet and hate it too.
36 posted on 11/22/2002 11:18:20 AM PST by weikel
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LOL...my labbies can! If I DARE say "W-A-L-K" it's all over, I have two tasmanian devils on my hands. The same is true if I say "bone" or "peanut butter." My chocolate also talks to me. I can tell if he's lost a toy, he'll sit right by me and bark if I don't immediately pay attention to him. I'll ask him where his ball is and he'll walk run to where the ball went out of his reach. Smart dog.
37 posted on 11/22/2002 11:30:30 AM PST by BornOnTheFourth
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To: afraidfortherepublic
We knew this all the while....

Yep. :^)

38 posted on 11/22/2002 11:33:22 AM PST by Republic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Thanks bunches for posting this. I just brought Emma Jade (my daughter named her) home from the doggie version of ICU. She is an Australian Silky Terrier, a big dog in a small suit. They said she wouldn't make it but I said she would. They didn't know her.
39 posted on 11/22/2002 11:35:24 AM PST by Movemout
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To: afraidfortherepublic
... an innate trait among dogs, the result of individual dogs having been selected and bred over hundreds or thousands of years on the basis of their ability to "understand" their masters.

I think the author has the science backwards. Early hunters would not have wasted their time attempting to domesticate a creature that did not already demonstrate a keen empathy for humans and an unusual ability to work with them. I suggest that these characteristics were inherent in the canine species that sprung forth from prior genetic stock in those ancient days and that selective breeding only refined preexistent qualities.

40 posted on 11/22/2002 11:41:35 AM PST by concentric circles
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To: afraidfortherepublic
CAT'S RULE....DOGS JUST DROOL.

41 posted on 11/22/2002 11:44:25 AM PST by Sungirl
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To: Thorondir
The fact is that dogs are better people than most people (i.e. more faithful, loving, forgiving, etc...)

My Dad has a friend who was commiserating with him a few years ago. He said that he really cared for his dog. It seems that his wife constantly bitched at him regarding one thing or another and his teenaged daughter more or less ignored him. Both acted differently when they needed money. The dog, OTOH, was always glad when he came home, loved to spend time with him, never got annoyed with him and never asked for money.

42 posted on 11/22/2002 11:44:49 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: kaylar
Mine know the following words:

bone
treat
food
eat and knows what e-a-t spells
go for walk, and gopher hawk
ride
out
downstairs
upstairs
night-night
potty
poop
piggie, pig ears
quilt, he has an old quilt that he lays on
couch
bird
duck
goose
bumper, the rubber ones I throw for him
time, as in 'is it time' for his 9:00pm trip outside
denta bone, aka fourth letter of the alphabet, because he understands what 'd' is

And a ton of others that I can't think of right now.
43 posted on 11/22/2002 11:49:31 AM PST by Lyndal
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To: dd5339; cavtrooper21
He's smarter than you think!
44 posted on 11/22/2002 11:49:59 AM PST by Vic3O3
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Bump
45 posted on 11/22/2002 11:55:00 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: kaylar; afraidfortherepublic
Mine can spell. L-E-A-S-H doesn't work anymore. And she knows where it is too. As soon as it gets dark she starts pawing shoes.

Ball
Frisbee
leash
walk
go for a ride in the car
food in your dish
ice water (okay, she's spoiled rotten)

and more are verbotten unless you actually do it.
46 posted on 11/22/2002 11:55:39 AM PST by Desdemona
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To: Sungirl
CAT'S RULE....DOGS JUST DROOL.

I had a dog that only drooled when it spotted a nice plump cat. ;~))

47 posted on 11/22/2002 12:07:34 PM PST by Ditto
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To: afraidfortherepublic
and he runs over to look behind the set to see if he can find the animal.

Mine runs up to the screen and barks at them, it's really funny. He even barks at the chia pet commericals and the cat commercial where they clink the side of a glass. Once he hears those clues he'll run to the tv to bark at the cat or the chia pet

48 posted on 11/22/2002 12:51:25 PM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Charlie Sykes talked about this article today and had some cute anecdotes about his own dog, Rudy. He also invited calls on the subject, and read some emails about smart dogs.

It was a refreshing break from budget and political concerns. Give Max a smooch for me - here's a photo of MY smart pooch (complete with Harley Davidson Cap!).


49 posted on 11/22/2002 12:53:13 PM PST by WIladyconservative
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To: afraidfortherepublic
I'll bet it's easier to get a dog off the couch than a chimp....
50 posted on 11/22/2002 12:53:50 PM PST by Cogadh na Sith
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