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If illegal machine guns make it into this country, who says handguns won't?

Wake up gun grabbers.

1 posted on 11/25/2002 7:23:54 AM PST by jjm2111
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2 posted on 11/25/2002 7:26:09 AM PST by jjm2111
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To: jjm2111; Jonathon Spectre
U.S. District Judge Charles Shaw complained that the government let the guns into the country based on a simple letter from an "Andy Griffith police department,"

How far we've fallen...

"Americans have a right and advantage of being armed--unlike other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." --James Madison "The Federalist Papers No.46"

"The corollary, from the first position, is, that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The prohibition is general. No clause in the Constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give to congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretence by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both. In most of the countries of Europe, this right does not seem to be denied, although it is allowed more or less sparingly, according to circumstances. In England, a country which boasts so much of its freedom, the right was secured to protestant subjects only, on the revolution of 1688; and it is cautiously described to be that of bearing arms for their defence, "suitable to their conditions, and as allowed by law." An arbitrary code for the preservation of game in that country has long disgraced them. A very small proportion of the people being permitted to kill it, though for their own subsistence; a gun or other instrument, used for that purpose by an unqualified person, may be seized and forfeited. Blackstone, in whom we regret that we cannot always trace the expanded principles of rational liberty, observes however, on this subject, that the prevention of popular insurrections and resistance to government by disarming the people, is oftener meant than avowed, by the makers of forest and game laws."--William Rawle, A View of the Constitution of the United States, 1829

3 posted on 11/25/2002 7:37:23 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: jjm2111
The only thing more gun control or even an outright gun ban would do is create a HUGE blackmarket on the scale of the blackmarket in drugs.

I think that the blackmarket in guns in the US has always been somewhat suppressed because the availability of legal guns in the country means little profit in blackmarketing

As the government bans more and more types of guns and puts more onerous regulations on owners as well as outright bans such as the Lautenberg Ammendment, I think you are going to see and hear about a lot more guns being smuggled in from South America and Asia.

There will eventually come a time when people will get so sick of the overregulation of guns that they will purchase from the "guy in the black van" on the corner rather than go to a legit dealer and fool with all the redtape.
4 posted on 11/25/2002 7:37:46 AM PST by apillar
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To: jjm2111
Federal law limits possession of automatic weapons to the military, law enforcement, manufacturers, dealers and collectors.

DISINFORMATION. Anyone in a class III state, that being one that allows class III weapons, may purchase an automatic weapon, if they pay the appropriate tax.

Boonie Rat

MACV SOCOM, PhuBai/Hue '65-'66

Livin' in a class III state.

5 posted on 11/25/2002 7:47:15 AM PST by Boonie Rat
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Since the article didn't call this guy a "militia leader" or "gun nut", is it safe to assume he's a registered Democrap?
9 posted on 11/25/2002 8:23:33 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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I can see the reasoning for making individuals jump through some hoops to own full auto weapons, as there are some people who you wouldn't want to own one, but it really pi$$es me off that individuals are limited to only owning pre-1986 transferable weapons that now command ridiculous price tags, if you can find them. For example, anyone care to guess the price of a real, transferable Russian or Bulgarian AK-47? If you could find one, figure on maybe $10K for a nice, rare example. Law enforcement can buy dealer samples brand new for 500 bucks. Now maybe it's just me, but reason tells me that if I pay the tax, pass background checks and get law enforcement to sign off on me so that I am considered worthy to own a class 3 firearm, I should be able to order the brand new $500 rifle myself. Check the prices on transferable HK MP5s as well, it's ridiculous the difference an individual and LE will pay for a piece of stamped sheet metal.
10 posted on 11/25/2002 8:32:26 AM PST by Sender
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including an anti-aircraft gun

Put me on the waiting list for one of those, will ya? I can see the headline now "Cat burglar dismembered by close range artillery"...

11 posted on 11/25/2002 8:36:15 AM PST by Lizard_King
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Prosecutors told the jury that Baranski boasted in a letter to Carmi that the Yak-B "aircraft cannon" they hoped to import had never been sold in the United States before.

Um, well, if that's the same 12.7 mm 4-barrel YaKB cannon that the Russians mount on the MI-24 "Hind", maybe it's just as well that they didn't get to bring it it....

13 posted on 11/25/2002 8:46:15 AM PST by general_re
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To: jjm2111
People sure do get upset just because somebody has some machine guns!
18 posted on 11/25/2002 2:40:23 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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