Caption - Palestinian Funeral in Gaza - Mustafa Sabah

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[Hat-Trick]

When I say "bulldoze", I mean to push back, not to actually bulldoze/smash/run-over/kill. Bulldoze, as in push the pali's back across the Jordan river. Certainly, the American people should never sit idly by and watch or condone genocide. Removing/relocating/kicking out a hostile refugee nation from within their own borders is certainly well within their rights, regardless of what any other nation thinks. If Israel's own citizens don't support this, well, the short answer is that they'll get what they settle for, or with.

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[twyn1]

Sorry but the "poor Palestinian teenager" excuse does not fly with me -- they have NO hope because of their own stubborn leaders, who WANT them to remain in poverty and despair -- and they want the to HATE Israel with all their heart -- meanwhile Arafat has his wife and daughter safely tucked into a luxurious apartment in Paris and socks away millions of dollars flowing into his coffers

Palestinians are where they are because of their own corrupt leadership, both political and religious -- Why haven't other Arab lands allowed refugees into their countries ? What about Jordan, wasn't part of it's land alotted to Palestinians ? Why are the Palestinian "camps" still ghettos after all of the money sent there (much from the U.S.) for infrastructure improvements ? -- What kind of parent would be proud to send their child out to blow themselves into pieces (and hopefully get lots of them Jews too)? The Palestinian society may be hopeless, sick and twisted -- but the fault does not lie with the Israeli people

[NormsRevenge]

You don;t like the current reality,huh? It pains you to see the turmoil "extended" when the Israelis whack their enemies who fight like cowards and hide behind old women and children.. Reality sucks, innocent bystanders die. Does Yasser care or Hamas or Hezbollah or Islamic Jihad?

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

If you can't see the difference between intentional blowing up a bus full of kids, precisely because they are helpless kids, and taking a chance on hurting innocents to eliminate a murderous monster, there's nothing to discuss.
And anyone riding with the pallie murderers is by definition an accomplice and not innocent.

[Hat-Trick]

Once a legitimate, functioning Palestine is created, the rest of the Palestinians will simply put a stop to Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Why? Because they will have something to lose. Right now they have everything to gain, and nothing to lose.

Yeah. Sure. And you'd also like me to belive that Islam is a religion of peace. Sorry, but this fight has been going on since Jacob and Ishmael, and creating a nation state of Palestine in the middle of the ground that God carved out for Israel isn't gonna stop it.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

Create a nice little country?

Bwahahahahahaa!

[NormsRevenge]

we??? Also, we know that most Palestinians do not want to destroy Israel because we ask them.

By that, you mean the liberally biased media types? or you got a frog in your pocket?

[KLT]

"We are just so peaceful, we need to carry missiles everywhere...you never know who you might meet."

[Jimmyclyde]

As I noted, once they have a state, all the rules change. Suddenly, they are no longer "freedom fighters" but citizens of a nation state. The leader of Palestine (be it Arafat or whoever) will crush the terrorists because he will want to stay leader and actually create a nice little country.

Arafat could have down all the things you have stated above with Oslo.

He rejected it all.

All the major cities in the West Bank are controlled for the most part by the PLO.

What have they done to better the lives of their people there?

The world gives Arafat Billions to help the palestinians and what does he do...?

Banks it all for himself.

No my friend, the palies want nothing but death.

If they wanted anything else, arafat and his demons would be dead long ago by his own people.

[dennisw]

Mustafa Sabah is now a good Jehadi ...Because he's a dead one!

[MoGalahad]

You make an awful lot of assumptions in this theoretical scenario you put forth. Who are the Palestinians? What claim do they have to the Holy Land? Why should the Israelis give anything to the Palestinians? Who says that the Arab population within Israel supports the Palestinian cause? If they do, what is to keep Israel from deporting them (other than the idiotic Chamberlain-like Western politicians)?

All this is really moot since the Lord God Jehovah gave the land to the Israel. It doesn't matter how many Palestinians there are; God is a majority of One.

[dennisw]

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	Egyptians perform Eid prayers in a street outside Mustafa Mahmoud mosque in Cairo, Thursday Dec. 5, 2002. (AP Photo/Mohammad al sehety) - Dec 05 9:44 AM ET
	A masked Palestinian holds a rocket launcher in Gaza during the funeral of Mustafa Sabah, who was killed by an Israeli air strike, December 5, 2002. Israeli helicopter gunships fired missiles at a Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) compound in Gaza City on Wednesday, killing the master bomb maker believed responsible for blowing up three Israeli tanks, witnesses and militants said. REUTERS/Oleg Popov - Dec 05 9:28 AM ET
	A masked Palestinian gunman holds up his assault rifle in front of a Fatah (news - web sites) movement flag during the funeral of Mustafa Sabah, December 5, 2002. Israeli helicopter gunships fired missiles at a Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) compound in Gaza City on December 4, killing the master bomb maker responsible for blowing up three Israeli tanks, witnesses and militants said. REUTERS/Oleg Popov - Dec 05 8:44 AM ET
	Masked members of the Fatah (news - web sites) movement carry the body of Mustafa Sabah who was killed by an Israeli air strike in Gaza City, December 5, 2002. Israeli helicopter gunships fired missiles at a Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) compound in Gaza City on December 4, killing a master bomb maker responsible for blowing up three Israeli tanks, witnesses and militants said. REUTERS/Oleg Popov - Dec 05 8:46 AM ET
	Masked and armed Palestinian gunmen, members of the Fatah (news - web sites) movement, march during the funeral procession of Mustafa Sabah, Thursday, Dec. 5, 2002, who was killed in an Israeli air strike on Gaza city on Wednesday. Israeli helicopter gunship fired missiles at a Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) compound in Gaza City on Wednesday, killing a master bomb maker responsible for blowing up three Israeli tanks, witnesses and militants said. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus) - Dec 05 8:39 AM ET
	Palestinian men carry the body of Mustafa Sabah through the streets of Gaza City, Thursday, Dec. 5, 2002. Sabah was killed when Israeli helicopter gunship fired missiles at a Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) compound in Gaza City on Wednesday, killing a master bomb maker responsible for blowing up three Israeli tanks, witnesses and militants said. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus) - Dec 05 8:38 AM ET
	Masked and armed Palestinian gunmen, members of the Fatah (news - web sites) movement, carry the body of Mustafa Sabah, Thursday, Dec. 5, 2002, who was killed in an Israeli air strike on Gaza city on Wednesday. Israeli helicopter gunship fired missiles at a Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) compound in Gaza City on Wednesday, killing a master bomb maker responsible for blowing up three Israeli tanks, witnesses and militants said. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus) - Dec 05 8:37 AM ET
	Masked and armed Palestinian gunmen, members of the Fatah (news - web sites) movement, carry the body of Mustafa Sabah, Thursday, Dec. 5, 2002, who was killed in Israeli air strike on Gaza city on Wednesday. Israeli helicopter gunship fired missiles at a Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) compound in Gaza City on Wednesday, killing a master bomb maker responsible for blowing up three Israeli tanks, witnesses and militants said. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus) - Dec 05 8:39 AM ET
	Two masked Palestinians carry rocket launchers in Gaza City during the funeral of Mustafa Sabah, who was killed by an Israeli air strike, December 5, 2002. Israeli helicopter gunship fired missiles at a Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) compound in Gaza City on December 4, killing the master bomb maker responsible for blowing up three Israeli tanks, witnesses and militants said. REUTERS/Oleg Popov - Dec 05 8:22 AM ET
	A masked Palestinian gunman holds a handmade rocket launcher in Gaza during the funeral of Mustafa Sabah, who was killed by an Israeli air strike, December 5, 2002. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) has approved plans that would seal off northern Israel from the West Bank by extending a security fence to defend against Palestinian attacks, government officials said. (Oleg Popov/Reuters) - Dec 05 7:33 AM ET
	A masked Palestinian gunman holds a handmade rocket launcher in Gaza during the funeral of Mustafa Sabah, who was killed by an Israeli air strike, December 5, 2002. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) has approved plans that would seal off northern Israel from the West Bank by extending a security fence to defend against Palestinian attacks, government officials said. Photo by Oleg Popov/Reuters - Dec 05 7:35 AM ET
	Masked and armed Palestinian gunmen, members of the Fatah (news - web sites) movement, march during the funeral procession of Mustafa Sabah, Thursday, Dec. 5, 2002, who was killed by Israeli air strike in Gaza city on Wednesday. Israeli helicopter gunship fired missiles at a Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) compound in Gaza City on Wednesday, killing a master bomb maker responsible for blowing up three Israeli tanks, witnesses and militants said. (AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus) - Dec 05 7:02 AM ET

[My2Cents]

I see a group of people who have had their asses kicked for 35 years. I would hope that if America was occupied, that we would be marching up main street (well outside the Walmart that took main st.) in the same fashion.

Very seriously, I suggest you pick up a copy of "From Time Immemorial" by Joan Peters. She set out to write a book about the "oppression" of the "poor Palestinians" and ended up writing an entirely different book.

Who are the Palestinians? One hundred years ago, the area that is now Israel was virtually deserted. It was only after the immigration of Jews to the area, in which they made the desert bloom, and provided reasonable standard of living for its people (much better than the quality of life in surrounding Arab countries) that there was an influx of "Palestinians" into the area in and around Israel. Arafat himself was born in Egypt; he's no displaced Palestinian suffering from Israeli occupation of "his land." And for those Arabs who voluntarily deserted their homes in 1948, based on the promise of the Arab nations at war with Israel that they would get their homes back in a matter of "days" (that pledge was made 54 years ago), why are they still in refugee camps 54 years later? The history of refugees from all wars indicate that such displaced peoples either eventually return to their country within a few years, or are assimilated into the countries to which they fled. The Arab nations have purposely kept Palestinian refugees in what amounts to concentration camps, prinicipally to use as a propaganda tool against Israel. The miserable state of those Palestinians who were actually displaced in 1948 (and their surviving descendents) is the fault of the Arab world, not Israel.

Read Joan Peters book. She discusses all of this.

[My2Cents]

The Islamist attack on Israelis in Kenya last week shows that their "struggle" isn't for their "homeland," but is motivated solely by hatred of Jews.