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British Government To Give Free Heroin To Addicts (Good idea for USA?)
CNS News ^ | December 04, 2002 | Mike Wendling

Posted on 12/06/2002 9:04:26 AM PST by Pliney the younger

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To: FreePaul
The illegal drug trade is estimated to account for as much as 8% of world trade. All that money has to be laundered somehow. Imagine that much disappearing all at once. The results would be devastating to the world's (and our) economy.
61 posted on 12/10/2002 8:52:52 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: ThomasJefferson
"There seems to be a common thread in your posts."

The "will of the people" vs. government by fiat? Sure, I believe in the people.

I'd rather entrust the government of the United States to the first 400 people listed in the Boston telephone directory than to the faculty of Harvard University.
- William F. Buckley, Jr.

You may not agree, but I have a theory. The reason marijuana (or, really, any currently illegal drug) remains a federal issue is that people would vote to keep it illegal in their State anyway, so why bother changing things. This theory seems to be supported by the results of the latest round of marijuana initiatives.

That said, I do favor the States deciding the drug issue, but only after dismantling the Nanny State. I'm sure you've read the Ann Coulter article where she writes:

"It's not as if we live in the perfect Libertarian state of nature, with the tiny exception of those pesky drug laws. We live in a Nanny State that takes care of us from cradle to grave and steals half our income."

She advocates: "eliminating the Department of Health and Human Services, eliminating the Department of Education, eliminating the Department of Commerce, eliminating the National Endowment of the Arts, eliminating the National Endowment for the Humanities, eliminating the Department of Agriculture, eliminating the Department of Housing and Urban Development, eliminating the Department of Transportation, eliminating the progressive income tax and instituting a flat tax."

I agree totally.

62 posted on 12/10/2002 9:09:39 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Wolfie
but rather a doctor controlled distribution program, wherein the addict is given maintenance levels of heroin (emphasis on the "maintenance").

But don't you need more and more heroin the longer you are addicted for it to be a viable "fix." Will this just make their cravings even more intense?

63 posted on 12/10/2002 9:14:13 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Pliney the younger
Is Dr.Kevorkian behind this ?
64 posted on 12/10/2002 9:16:28 AM PST by PoorMuttly
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To: dfwgator
Addicts in the program have made a commitment to "getting well" (my quotes added). Its not abouting getting high, but staving off withdrawal symptoms so they can function normally. The Brits have made note of the fact that many people aren't willing to go cold turkey, but can maintain a stable lifestyle if the minimum dosage is met. Think of the folks you see outside an office building every half hour getting their fix of nicotine.
65 posted on 12/10/2002 9:17:13 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Pliney the younger
Every sixth dose should be 100% pure. One could then call the Program "British Roulette."
66 posted on 12/10/2002 9:27:14 AM PST by verity
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To: robertpaulsen
The "will of the people" vs. government by fiat? Sure, I believe in the people.

That isn't the thread that I detected, but I'll take your word for it. Sometimes we see what we suspect, and I have already shown that I am as capable as the next guy of making that mistake.

When someone mentions majority will more than once, I bristle to think that anyone could think that anything like a pure democracy is a good thing. It is one of the most dangerous concepts ever advanced.

She advocates: "eliminating the Department of Health and Human Services, eliminating the Department of Education, eliminating the Department of Commerce, eliminating the National Endowment of the Arts, eliminating the National Endowment for the Humanities, eliminating the Department of Agriculture, eliminating the Department of Housing and Urban Development, eliminating the Department of Transportation, eliminating the progressive income tax and instituting a flat tax."

I agree with MOST of those things, they are a good start.

As to the idea that laws which violate human rights are Ok if they are enacted on the local level, I find that abhorrent.

67 posted on 12/10/2002 9:41:46 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
"That isn't the thread that I detected,"

It would help if I didn't have to constantly guess at what you're trying to say. As another example:

"laws which violate human rights"

Not a clue as to what you are referring. The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights? Or the right to enjoy the services of a prostitute? How can I possibly respond to your statement?

As to "pure democracy". You do not agree with the concepts of "propositions", "referendums", and "ballot initiatives"? It seems to me that, on a small enough scale, democracy works pretty well.

68 posted on 12/10/2002 10:17:17 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: MrLeRoy
Provide evidence for your claim.

Open you eyes, ears and brain. The evidence is overwhelming. So much so that it is a waste of time to reiterate it here as it would just start an argument over the credibility of the evidence, etc. by those that refuse to admit drugs are harmful.

69 posted on 12/10/2002 10:24:04 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: robertpaulsen
It would help if I didn't have to constantly guess at what you're trying to say. As another example; "laws which violate human rights" Not a clue as to what you are referring.

I'm sorry that you don't know what human rights are, but most people don't have to guess. They start with rights ENUMERATED (but not granted) in the Declaration of Independence and the bill of rights found in the Constitution. They are given by the creator, not the government and certainly not some goofy orgsanisation such as the United Nations.

How can I possibly respond to your statement?

It is difficult if you don't grasp the fundamentals of rights.

As to "pure democracy". You do not agree with the concepts of "propositions", "referendums", and "ballot initiatives"? It seems to me that, on a small enough scale, democracy works pretty well.

It may seem that way to you, but that doesn't make it so. Do I really have to go through the old tired list of things that can/have/will happen when the majority rules? Slavery is a start. Defend that popular inititive and we can move on if you want.

70 posted on 12/10/2002 10:29:59 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: ThomasJefferson
Oh, those human rights. Do those human rights include the right to enjoy the services of a prostitute?
71 posted on 12/10/2002 10:40:53 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Oh, those human rights. Do those human rights include the right to enjoy the services of a prostitute?

Are we going to go through every situation possible to see if you can understand them one by one?

Anything which doesn't violate the rights of another is included in those rights. Get that concept?

72 posted on 12/10/2002 11:00:44 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: cinFLA
Drugs distort and destroy the brain at a faster rate than alcohol

Provide evidence for your claim.

The evidence is overwhelming.

Liar.

73 posted on 12/10/2002 11:15:38 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: cinFLA
those that refuse to admit drugs are harmful

Here's a free clue: there's a world of difference between questioning whether "Drugs distort and destroy the brain at a faster rate than alcohol" and denying that drugs are harmful. I have often stated that drugs---including the deadly addictive drugs alcohol and tobacco---are harmful. But the harm that adults do to themselves is none of your business or government's.

74 posted on 12/10/2002 11:30:14 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: Pliney the younger
Well, it's the ultimate socialist program, isn't it? Why should taxpayer A pay for leech B's bad habits? Let B fend for himself.

Gawd, those bastards hate the free market!

If you're gonna legalize it, legalize it. The price will come down. Anybody will be able to afford it. Crime associated with the artificially inflated price of narcotics will disappear. And the drug imbeciles will kill themselves off. Who cares?

Just don't ask the taxpayer to pay for someone else's drug habit (or their medical care once they begin their inevitable medical slide downhill).

Just my opinion.

75 posted on 12/10/2002 11:44:31 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: MrLeRoy
Liar.

I think that drugs have destroyed your ability to think.

76 posted on 12/11/2002 6:26:07 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
I think that drugs have destroyed your ability to think.

You're mistaken---I use no drugs, including the deadly addictive drugs alcohol and tobacco.

I think that anti-drug mania has destroyed your ability to engage in honest debate. If, as you claim, the evidence is overwhelming that drugs distort and destroy the brain at a faster rate than alcohol, then it should be very easy for you to provide some of that evidence. If you don't, the likeliest explanation is that there is no such evidence.

77 posted on 12/11/2002 12:58:33 PM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: MrLeRoy
addicts rob to get drug money, which they wouldn't need in the scenario under discussion

Right. With free drugs they will rob to get food money. Or rent money. Because it is unlikely that a heroin addict will be able to hold a job. So lets give them free food and free housing. Then they won't rob anyone.

Wheeee! Isn't socialism fun?

78 posted on 12/11/2002 1:15:01 PM PST by kidd
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To: kidd
With free drugs they will rob to get food money. Or rent money. Because it is unlikely that a heroin addict will be able to hold a job.

Non sequitur. Because food is legal, one can afford it via panhandling, can collecting, odd jobs, day labor, etc.

79 posted on 12/12/2002 8:34:32 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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