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To: justshutupandtakeit
The Constitution is not an alliance it is an act by the People of the United States.

"An Act"? It's ratification was a Federal, not a National act. Read Federalist 39. Federal acts are made by sovereign entities, which retain certain rights, that they have by virtue of being sovereign entities. Read the Declaration of Independence.

Stop lying.

Yes, please do that.

The States were not allowed to make the decision whether or not to ratify it. This was done by the American People in convention in the States.

Read Federalist 39. You'll find that the People of Each State acting in their sovereign capacity AS A STATE, ratified the Constitution You're a gross blathering shame to your country.

216 posted on 12/13/2002 8:16:04 PM PST by H.Akston
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To: H.Akston
Ratification was an act of the American people convening in states for that specific purpose. States were not allowed to ratify by state legislatures because that power was not to be trusted to them. The Declaration is not relevent to the constitution any more than it was relevent to freeing the slaves. It was not a Constitution.

Since the Constitution itself tells you the the "People of the United States....do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America" you lie if you claim it was the States which did so.

Never was there a time when the States were truly independent not before the Revolution, not during and not after. They never acted as if they were independent, never believed their people were anything other than true AMERICANS. When the nation was begun there were no states merely colonies. It was the United Colonies which revolted then renamed the United Colonies United States.

As would be expected you have not accurately expressed what Federalist 39 says. It explicitly described the government and constitution as a COMPOUND of Federal and National powers with different branches of the government partaking differently of the two types. Congress is Federal, the Supreme Court is National, the Executive a compound of the two. The OPERATION of the government is NATIONAl, the extent of Powers Federal.

It was the adversaries of the Constitution who claimed the Union was a Confederacy and that the constitution changed that. They were right about that.

Madison is trying to allay the fears of the anti-Federalists with his language here. But it should be recognized that at this time Madison was as strong an advocate as ANY (including his close ally, Hamilton) for reducing state power and increasing federal power. His language is somewhat duplicitious in playing down the National characteristic and the consolidated characteristics of the constitution. He knew better. Just as he knew WHY state legislatures were not to be allowed to pass on ratification.
228 posted on 12/16/2002 10:17:53 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit
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