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To: Askel5
There's no contradiction between "socialistic" and "authoritarian" structures. In fact, every socialistic structure I can name is authoritarian.

To call the family authoritarian and socialistic is to describe two facets of the same institution. To call the family authoritarian rather than socialistic is to confuse its distribution of power with its economics. There are authoritarian structures that are essentially capitalist -- Pinochet's Chile, Singapore, and organized crime come to mind -- so this is not a necessary association.

However, to be fair, authoritarian capitalisms seem to be unstable in the socialist direction, so there is room to argue the point just on the grounds of stability.

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68 posted on 12/12/2002 4:43:08 AM PST by fporretto
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To: fporretto
However, to be fair, authoritarian capitalisms seem to be unstable in the socialist direction, so there is room to argue the point just on the grounds of stability.

Stability? As in some Economic System or another?

How about justice or integrity?

One reason no socialist has genuine authority (other than the jackboot will he can force upon you as a fascist, the utopian dreams with which he'll seduce you as a Christian socialist or the shrill doctrine he'll shove down your throat as communist convert) is that socialism is not premised on tenets of enduring and self evident justice.

(Capitalism does incorporate a few but I think surely it is becoming obvious that it can be every bit as oppressive and unjust in the hands of men with no scruples and too stupid to prevent its inbuilt errors -- the sort the likes of Rand glorify -- from rendering it every bit as useful to the evil state as any socialist regime ... the only difference being the illusion of "choice" or "market" by which folks have the opportunity to will the Greater or the Lesser evil at all times.)

So ... I think you are confusing the imperialistic with the authoritarian.

Socialists, communists AND our current oligarchy of capitalist "leadership" in the west are imperialistic. (Only an imperialistic nation could wage "moral wars" that are absolutely unjust or announce that its executive leadership is now equipped with execution squads -- human and drone -- to assassinate whatever individuals it deems terrorists, at home or abroad.)

Instead, I'm talking about genuine authority ... the sort that naturally flows from a man of integrity and especially from the father in the family.

Of course, sometimes -- when there is no father -- the woman assumes the authority in direct proportion to her assumption of responsibility for the family's welfare.

This is one reason the State seeks to enfold single mothers in its arms and
-- by proclaiming their "right" to abort and/or to have children with or without fathers and lesbian partners, their "rights" to housing and equal pay for unequal work and by offering them some pittance payment from the Welfare State to grease the wheels of self-delusion in all these regards --
manages to usurp essential responsibility for the family.

69 posted on 12/12/2002 7:39:14 AM PST by Askel5
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