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Carter uses peace prize speech to condemn US policy
Guardian/UK ^ | 12/11/02 | Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington

Posted on 12/11/2002 12:27:34 AM PST by kattracks

The former US president, Jimmy Carter, marked his elevation to the status of Nobel peace laureate yesterday by chiding President Bush on his doctrine of pre-emptive war, and urging him to respect the UN's role in Iraq.

The comments, delivered at the Nobel awards ceremony in Oslo, were the second time that the award has been used as a vehicle for criticism of US preparations for a possible war on Saddam Hussein.

In a speech that deplored the emergence of terror and sectarian conflict since the end of the cold war, Mr Carter said the United Nations - though flawed - remained the best way of ensuring global harmony.

"War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always an evil, never a good. We will not learn to live together in peace by killing each other's children," Mr Carter said.

If there were doubts that Mr Carter was speaking directly to the hawks of the Bush administration, who have argued that a strike on Iraq is essential to eliminating Baghdad as a nuclear threat, the former president dispelled them.

"For powerful countries to adopt a principle of preventative war may well set an example that can have catastrophic consequences," he said.

Mr Carter prescribed mediation through the UN as a solution to problems such as the environment, as well as Iraq.

Last year the Nobel committee gave the UN secretary general, Kofi Annan, the £600,000 award.

Mr Carter also called for Baghdad to comply with UN demands and eliminate weapons of mass destruction. If it failed to do so, war would be quite likely, he admitted.

Even so, Mr Carter's comments - and the implied criticism of President Bush - threatened to spark off a second wave of controversy over this year's peace prize.

The judges outraged conservative opinion in the US two months ago by saying their choice was intended as a deliberate "kick in the leg" for Mr Bush.

Although Mr Carter's single term presidency in the late 1970s was often dismissed as ineffective, his activities during the last two decades have been held up as a model for a post-presidential career.

Mr Carter's eponymous centre in Atlanta has emerged as an active player in conflict resolution and elections monitoring in the developing world, and in recent years has taken an increased interest in combatting disease in Africa.

Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat won the prize in 1978 for the Camp David peace agreement between Israel and Egypt, which Mr Carter brokered. Yesterday, Mr Carter also highlighted the Israeli-Palestinian conflict - and called for Israel to withdraw from the occupied West Bank and Gaza.

He said he was disappointed that the presidents who succeeded him failed to capitalise on the Camp David agreements.

"One of the key factors that arouses intense feelings of animosity in the world is the festering problem in the Holy Land, the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza and the inability of Israel to live in peace with its neighbours," he said.



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1 posted on 12/11/2002 12:27:34 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Someone should alert the Guardian that Jimmy holds no elected office. He hasn't been a representative of the American government in over 20 years.

His award gives him as much ground from which to speak as an Oscar does the actors who are protesting the American involvement in war.

2 posted on 12/11/2002 12:34:49 AM PST by weegee
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To: kattracks
Yassar Arafat seems to have one of those "Peace Prize" things too. I suppose that qualifies him to lecture us on US policy and Camp David agreements as well. >:P

"I am Yassar Arafat!!!! Are you threatening me???!"
4 posted on 12/11/2002 12:42:48 AM PST by Kawolski
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To: kattracks

Jimmy the Peanut's foreign policy.

6 posted on 12/11/2002 12:50:00 AM PST by The Great Satan
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To: kattracks
He said he was disappointed that the presidents who succeeded him failed to capitalise on the Camp David agreements.

Well Gee Jimmy .. a little full of yourself maybe??

Is this were you tell us that you were such a great president??

7 posted on 12/11/2002 12:50:46 AM PST by Mo1
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To: kattracks
He gave away the Canal, why would anyone expect normal thinking from this ex-Prez?
8 posted on 12/11/2002 12:53:04 AM PST by A CA Guy
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To: Cobra64
Kat, sorry for the rant. I'm on the Left Coast right now. It must be some sort of "disease" when a Right Wing kinda person like me lands on the Left Coast... and it is like sodium hitting water. Gee, I always liked my Chem prof from Westinhouse research labs.
9 posted on 12/11/2002 1:16:07 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: Cobra64
There will be a glorious celebration in America when these 2 X-Presidents/Traitors hang from a short & stff rope.
10 posted on 12/11/2002 1:32:44 AM PST by iopscusa
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To: kattracks
This failed POS, arguably the dumbest person to ever sit as U.S. President, needs to go strait to Iraq and establish residence. I don't want him soiling our shores again.
11 posted on 12/11/2002 2:11:12 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: kattracks
He's a RAT and as such he doesn't give a RATS @ss about THIS country! What did you expect from him, a glowing endorsement of the Presidents foreign policy? Hey Jimmy, I got your peace prize right here!
12 posted on 12/11/2002 2:21:00 AM PST by teletech
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To: A CA Guy
Did anyone see the guy on Hannity and Colmes last night who kept insisting that CARTER, NOT REAGAN, brought about the end of the Soviet Union?
13 posted on 12/11/2002 2:36:44 AM PST by mathluv
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To: Cobra64; kattracks
<< That stupid bastard should be written from the history books. I'm so pissed off I can't type right. That prick and Clinton should be physically deep sixed. His smug remarks against a currennt sitting President, in a current flippin war -- and that flippin bastard has the NERVE to make comments when he was a coward 20+ years ago! When is anyone going to wake up with this crap. Sa'id H Mohammid! Billy-Bubba Carter IS a saboteaur to this country. As IS his pal, Billy-Bubba Cli'ton.] >>

<}:^)~<
14 posted on 12/11/2002 2:45:34 AM PST by Brian Allen
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To: Cobra64
"For powerful countries to adopt a principle of preventative war may well set an example that can have catastrophic consequences," he (Carter) said.

He's right, of course.

What he's saying is that America must wait until it has been attacked before it wages war.

Let's Roll!!

15 posted on 12/11/2002 3:01:09 AM PST by Rudder
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To: kattracks
Fifth Column Carter....what a bitter, little-minded creep. Bush has been sooooo damn gracious to him.
16 posted on 12/11/2002 3:04:29 AM PST by Claire Voyant
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To: mathluv
I would watch Hannity and Colmes if Colmes WASN'T on!!! I can't watch that ghoul.
17 posted on 12/11/2002 3:07:42 AM PST by Claire Voyant
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To: kattracks
"Carter criticized, US"

Surprise, Surprise

18 posted on 12/11/2002 3:18:36 AM PST by DeaconRed
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To: kattracks
A failures last spot in the sun and chance to redeem himself. Only problem is, he is being played for a chump - again.
19 posted on 12/11/2002 3:28:12 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: kattracks
Jimmy the idiot strikes again.
20 posted on 12/11/2002 3:31:03 AM PST by Militiaman7
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To: kattracks
'We will not learn to live together in peace by killing each other's children'

Thinking with the wrong organ again. Carter is trying to equate peace with war. Or at least attempting to quantify the outcome of a war by peace.

Dear Jimmy,
War is not peace. Peace is not war. Thats pretty simple stuff you should have learned in one of those single digit grade school years. When you conduct war, you have an enemy. Your job as commander in chief was to destroy the enemy, not your own troops. Is that clear enough for you ?

21 posted on 12/11/2002 3:36:38 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: kattracks
"One of the key factors that arouses intense feelings of animosity in the world is the festering problem in the Holy Land, the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza and the inability of Israel to live in peace with its neighbours," he said.

What a liar! I thought he was just a fool before. Now I see that he's actually evil.

22 posted on 12/11/2002 3:42:27 AM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: kattracks
... the £600,000 award.

Nice piece of change. This will get him a couple more stays in Cuba and North Korea.

What a coward and a pissant! Ptuuuie!

23 posted on 12/11/2002 3:44:22 AM PST by johnny7
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To: kattracks
This is just more evidence that in most case, liberalism is a terminal illness. Carter saw what his own policies achieved. Then he sat on the sidelines and watched Reagan change the world and he still doesn't get it. He's still parrotting the same old '60s and '70s cliches. Still playing the same scratched old record.

A tragic example of a blind man who's been offered sight but refused it.

24 posted on 12/11/2002 3:52:21 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: Eagle Eye 2
"...This evil old bastard has been stabbing this country in the back for decades. He can take his Nobel Prize and shove it where the sun never shines..."

LOL!

I dunno...

That rough trade wife of his has the look of the type who might want to use a strap-on appliance to wham-bam ole Jimmah with 'down there'.

He'll probably use it to prop the outhouse door closed when he's in there with a Playboy magazine, his gnarled member clutched in an arthritic claw, with 'lust in his heart'.

25 posted on 12/11/2002 3:53:01 AM PST by DWSUWF
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To: weegee
Jimmy should have stuck with peanuts. Oh don't we miss the days of Iranians holding US hostages and double digit inflation. Why does anyone listen to this idiot? Give him a hammer and tell him to shut up. He expects to get a $1 million Nobel prize for building homes for the poor. Total Communist.
26 posted on 12/11/2002 3:53:50 AM PST by jrlc
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To: kattracks
Jimmy Carter is an absolute joke!

In 1983, he sought and received support from the SOVIET UNION to try and defeat RONALD REAGAN in 1984. He was joined in that effort by Walter Mondale, Ted Kennedy, Tip O'Neil and many other American haters!

The Soviet Union put about $50 million into the anti-war and enviromental movements to impede Reagan's efforts with his military build-up (that Jimmy decimated).

Reagan's build-up caused great havoc in the Soviet Union and eventually led to its demise. Thank you President Reagan!
27 posted on 12/11/2002 4:00:58 AM PST by leprechaun9
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To: weegee

Carter's greatest contribution to world peace was, and always will be, electing Reagan in two landslides.
28 posted on 12/11/2002 4:03:05 AM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: Vigilanteman

Carter's greatest contribution to world peace was, and always will be, electing Reagan in two landslides.

Pardon the echo, but I did have to post the correct and glorious 1984 map.

29 posted on 12/11/2002 4:05:25 AM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: jrlc
He spent his time out of the White House building houses, writing books on religion, and even a children's book.

The goodwill he showed with those acts has been betrayed by his support of Clinton in impeachment, the Gore legal team in Florida, and his involvement in world politics.

I was joking 2 years ago that the Rats would run Jimmy in 2004 for President. What seemed unthinkable in 2000 is looking more like reality.

30 posted on 12/11/2002 4:06:07 AM PST by weegee
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To: leprechaun9
In 1983, he sought and received support from the SOVIET UNION to try and defeat RONALD REAGAN in 1984. He was joined in that effort by Walter Mondale, Ted Kennedy, Tip O'Neil and many other American haters!

And yet Algore Junior has the audacity to talk about a VRWC of fifth columnists. We know what foreign powers the DNC has alligned. Albert never did disclose what nation(s) the VRWC was supposed to be working for.

31 posted on 12/11/2002 4:08:57 AM PST by weegee
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To: kattracks
The peanut farmer was probably the most honest USA president ever, but, he was also the worst ever on management ability. So what makes him qualified to give anybody advice?
32 posted on 12/11/2002 4:16:05 AM PST by Texbob
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To: kattracks
"One of the key factors that arouses intense feelings of animosity in the world is the festering problem in the Holy Land, the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza and the inability of Israel to live in peace with its neighbours," he said.

TRANSLATION: This 'cRAT wants Israel to be indefensible just like the Arabs. Israel gone just like the Arabs. I hear Arab money is what funds his presidential library.
33 posted on 12/11/2002 4:17:07 AM PST by dennisw
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To: kattracks
And on the SAME day that this old fool is accepting his Noble Prize, a North Korean ship is carrying MISSLES to the Middle East....the same North Korea that a appeasing Jimmy Carter told the world had promise him that they would NOT be creating nuclear weapons....Jimmy Carter, in large part, IS responsible for the fact that a brutal dictator that STARVES his

Churchill said, "While not treason, appeasement often has the same result."
34 posted on 12/11/2002 4:25:57 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: kattracks
"For powerful countries to adopt a principle of preventative war may well set an example that can have catastrophic consequences," he said.

Just a minor point, but the correct word is "preventive".

Jimmah the Appeaser...dumber than a sack of nails.

35 posted on 12/11/2002 4:30:47 AM PST by Mr Ducklips
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To: weegee
You're probably right, RATS might be reduced to re-running Carter for President in 2004. Just like a replay of "Leave it to Beaver," only with Iranian Hostages and double digit inflation as a backdrop.
36 posted on 12/11/2002 4:41:02 AM PST by jrlc
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To: kattracks
Well, now, let's all give the man a fair hearing. Jimmuh should know. After all, the man IS an expert in the area. Most of the violence and unrest in the Middle East can be traced directly back to him as a root cause.
37 posted on 12/11/2002 5:03:04 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: teletech
RATS @ss -- classic example of repetition.
38 posted on 12/11/2002 5:39:23 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: mathluv
Did anyone see the guy on Hannity and Colmes last night who kept insisting that CARTER, NOT REAGAN, brought about the end of the Soviet Union?


Carter himself, in his "lecture" made reference to Gorbachov
winning the Peace Prize for "Ending the Cold War".

What a sorry excuse for a man he is.

Our local radio (Atlanta) had an hour long program last night fawning and sucking up to this little toad.

It was a dark and stormy night, and platitudes fell like
a torrent.

Made me sick.
39 posted on 12/11/2002 6:00:03 AM PST by tet68
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To: kattracks
Jimmy Carter's so devoted to the peace process he cannot even defend himself from a water-logged rabbit.

jriemer

40 posted on 12/11/2002 6:00:14 AM PST by jriemer
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To: kattracks
"One of the key factors that arouses intense feelings of animosity in the world is the festering problem in the Holy Land, the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza and the inability of Israel to live in peace with its neighbours," he said.

What an idiot....

41 posted on 12/11/2002 6:14:59 AM PST by freebilly
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To: tet68
Ugh yeah...I was stuck with listening to that last night. I love WSB but I think that this hour long radio show was pathetic. I was SORELY disappointed that WSB wasn't running Sean Hannity or Royal Marshall at this time instead.
42 posted on 12/11/2002 6:20:36 AM PST by xrp
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To: jrlc
They say he has an IQ of 170... go figure.
It is good to know who is chosen for a "nobel" rat prize, that way, we can know the enemy of the United States.
After all these years, I still cringe and am angered at the mental picture of the hostages, paraded before cameras with blindfolds, and the commercial footage playing Paul McCartney's, "the long and winding road." Carter sickens me.
43 posted on 12/11/2002 6:42:01 AM PST by Terridan
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To: Texbob
"The peanut farmer was probably the most honest USA president ever".
I'm not so sure about the honesty part - i.e. Bert Lance, Clark Clifford, Robert Vesco, etc.
44 posted on 12/11/2002 6:51:42 AM PST by afz400
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To: kattracks
Unfortunately the Peanut President speaks for a lot of misguided Americans when he says that pre-emptive war is wrong.

This is an issue that we must debate openly.

The fact is, pre-emptive war is right. And we who know that have to be ready, willing and able at all times to advance the arguments as to why it is right.

We can blame the Peanut President all we want for arguing the wrong side of this issue. But he's not alone. And what we have to do is refine our arguments. And win.

The survival of Freedom depends on it.

45 posted on 12/11/2002 7:16:19 AM PST by samtheman
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To: afz400
And don't forget registered Libyan agent brother Billy. Or the cocaine-snorting twins Hamilton Jordan and Jody Powell. Yeah, well-conceived criticisms, Carter. And (to paraphrase one of his heroes, Joe Stalin) remind us again of how many divisions you have?
46 posted on 12/11/2002 7:20:08 AM PST by speedy
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And, poetic justice that on the same day he criticised Bush's foreign policy his "beloved" North Korea was caught shipping scuds to Yemen.
47 posted on 12/11/2002 7:20:33 AM PST by moondoggie
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To: kattracks
Mr. Peanut-still the useful idiot's idiot, and as it has been said, " there's no fool like an old fool".


49 posted on 12/11/2002 7:57:22 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell
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To: kattracks
Imagine this. We are about to send our troops into the former Yugoslavia under Clinton's orders. Former Pres Ford goes to Moscow and publicly declares that the USA has no national interest at stake in the region. He goes on to state that Milosovich has no interest in threatening his neighbors, that he was duly elected by the people. He blatantly states that this would be an unjust war, with potentially terrible results. That it sets a bad precident.

Now imagine the media reaction.

However, Carter is a Democrat. Bush is a Republican. So the media focus? Trent Lott!


MARK A SITY
http://www.logic101.net/
50 posted on 12/11/2002 8:17:03 AM PST by logic101.net
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