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To: MrLeRoy
Prices are down, which means that supply is up, which means that the War On Heroin is failing.

Maybe. But the two alternatives are no war and legalization, which means much lower prices and more purity. This study shows that would increase dependency. So much for drug legalization wackos thinking.

3 posted on 12/19/2002 7:47:31 AM PST by 1L
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To: 1L
Better yet, make it legal and let the lawyers in the deal. The Tobacco Settlement will be NOTHING compared to the heroin settlement.
5 posted on 12/19/2002 7:48:47 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: 1L
the two alternatives are no war and legalization, which means much lower prices and more purity. This study shows that would increase dependency. So much for drug legalization wackos thinking.

Wrong. The reasons for ending the failed War On Some Drugs are that the WOsD leads to the following: deaths of innocents in drug-turf wars; deaths of users due to contaminants and unexpectedly high potencies; enrichment of criminals; and corruption of the justice system by enriched criminals. (Not to mention that it's wrong to imprison people for acts that violate nobody's rights.)

11 posted on 12/19/2002 7:56:27 AM PST by MrLeRoy
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To: 1L
But the two alternatives are no war and legalization, which means much lower prices and more purity

Actually, the WOD is largely driving this trend. Pot is bulky and difficult to smuggle, so it costs $100-$300 an ounce, whereas heroin is compact, and the purer you make it, the more money you get for the same volume brought it.

Like all other government endeavors, the law of untintended consequences is at play here - by lumping pot in with hard drugs, the government has made a much less harmful drug (pot) much more expensive than a very dangerous drug (heroin). I hope they're happy...

12 posted on 12/19/2002 7:56:35 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: 1L
My friend, drugs are and have been illegal for a long time...you know what? they don't stop anyone who wants them from getting them any time they want them.

All the WOD does is makes the profit for drug dealers even higher. Get rid of the WOD, you will get rid of most crimes associated with drugs (there are lots) and give the best treatment available to those who want it. I know a woman who was addicted to heroin and crack and she was forced out of treatment after a few days because there weren't enough rooms available...

24 posted on 12/19/2002 8:09:09 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: 1L
But the two alternatives are no war and legalization, which means much lower prices and more purity.

Please check your logic: even with the war, we are getting lower prices and more purity. And your criticism of the legalization argument is that it will result in what is actually happening with the war?

This study shows that would increase dependency. So much for drug legalization wackos thinking.

Again, what you are stating is the actual, present result of the war, not the hypothetical result of legalization. So much for the drug warriors ability to handle simple reasoning.

25 posted on 12/19/2002 8:10:16 AM PST by coloradan
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To: 1L
BTW, many of us wackos didn't always feel the way we do about drugs. If you've ever known someone with a drug addiction and seen how the whole game works, you'd probably change your mind too. Drugs are evil and Drugs are a big problem in your society, whether you think they are or not. But, banning drugs is impossible.
26 posted on 12/19/2002 8:11:12 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: 1L
But the two alternatives are no war and legalization, which means much lower prices and more purity.

Do you ever read objectively or do we have to explain this in detail everytime it comes up? With lower prices comes lower profits for dealers, which leads to no incentives for dealers to push the stuff, which leads to fewer people trying it, which leads to less dependency. Yawn!

And you're factually incorrect in your assertion that legality would lead to a higher purity of drugs. The opposite is true. When drugs are illegal, dealers look for a higher purity in greater concentration because it's easier to smuggle.

Think about the prohibition era and ask yourself, which was easier to transport undetected, 100 bottles of beer, or it's intoxicating equivalent - 8 bottles of whisky, or even better, 3 bottles of pure grain alcohol. The answer is obvious.

58 posted on 12/19/2002 9:02:10 AM PST by tdadams
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To: 1L
This study shows that would increase dependency. So much for drug legalization wackos thinking.

Exactly!

59 posted on 12/19/2002 9:02:44 AM PST by A2J
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