[Sparta]

Hackworth is a prick , but the M9 sucks!!!! We need to return to the .45 because it has better stopping power.

[Warren]

Maybe so, but it is more important to use weapons that please Euroweenies. Do ya want the French madattcha?

[doxteve]

As I pull on my asbestos knickers, I must ask: Wasn't it said when they were still debating the 9mm becoming our primary sidearm, that it was because the women in our AF found the .45 ACP too large for their hands, too much recoil, etc? I seem to recall this. I'd like to see some expert fact and opinion on this. Thanks. Doc

[riverrunner]

Same old same old ball ammo in one or the other doesn't do a very good job. With good ammo they work just as well. It is amazeing that most of the people who are complaining didn't even use it in combat. The one that did had to shoot the guy 4 times so what it dosen't take long to shoot some one for times you could even do it before the first had time to take effect. Unless you brain or spine your target instant stops are not the norm with any pistol. If the m9 is so bad all come it defeated all the others in testing. It is no worse then the others and better then a lot. Remember in combat the other guys guns never stop working and always hit harder then yours.

[185JHP]

There was a thing in NATO to back up the choice of the 9mm - "Rationalization, Standardization, Interoperability." Same caliber other militaries use, blah, blah, blah. But facts are stubborn things, and as was learned when the Moros were shot with .45s, they are reliable fight-stoppers. And anyone who can't shoot a .45 accurately shouldn't be in a job requiring carrying a pistol. That includes women and girly-men.