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'Go pills' firestorm -- Pilot drug linked to friendly-fire deaths: ABC
Canadian Press via Toronto Sun ^ | December 21, 2002

Posted on 12/21/2002 4:05:53 AM PST by Clive

OTTAWA -- An ABC News 20/20 report says amphetamines given to two U.S. fighter pilots may have contributed to a friendly-fire incident last April 18 that killed four Canadian soldiers and wounded eight more in Afghanistan.

But reports by both Canadian and U.S. investigators said the Dexedrine pills, known on the street as speed or uppers, were not a factor in the attack on troops involved in a live-fire exercise near the Canadians' Kandahar base.

And the Canadian commander in Afghanistan, Lt.- Col. Pat Stogran, said it's "beyond comprehension" how the Americans could have mistaken a night-time exercise for an attack from an altitude of 20,000 feet (6,500 metres).

The ABC report says the "go pills" -- given to the pilots to help them stay awake and alert on long missions -- are illegal narcotics. "This is speed," said Dr. Robert DuPont, former White House drug czar. "This is where we got the phrase, speed kills."

ABC obtained never-before-seen footage of the night-time attack from the F16s' targeting imagery, as well as audio tape of Maj. Harry Schmidt -- "under the full influence of the amphetamine pills," says the report -- declaring he is taking groundfire.

"I've got some men on a road with a piece of artillery firing at us," he said. "I am rolling in self-defence."

Schmidt had been told to hold fire by controllers in an AWACS command and control aircraft but says he was convinced he and his senior wingman, Maj. Bill Umbach, were under attack.

"Bombs away," the flight recording said. "Cranking left."

It is only after Schmidt drops the 250-kilo bomb that he is told it is not the enemy. "Bossman, disengage friendlies, Khandahar," the tape goes on to say.

Schmidt and Umbach, both of the Illinois Air National Guard, were blamed by U.S. and Canadian inquiries, which said while there were some shortcomings in the command structure, Schmidt was too quick on the draw.

The ABC report says the amphetamines may have affected his decision- making ability.

The pair have a preliminary hearing at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana on Jan. 13. They face up to 64 years in prison if convicted on charges of involuntary manslaughter and assault.

The Canadian board of inquiry said "go pills" have been used for more than 30 years. "Blood and urine tests and a drug screen done after the incident were normal for both pilots, with the only remarkable result being a low level positive in Major (name deleted) drug screen that confirmed his stated use of the pills," the Canadian report said.

MEDICALLY CLEARED

"In accordance with set policies, (the two pilots) were ground tested and both were without side-effects and were medically cleared for operational use of 'go pills,'" it said.

"It was the assessment of the CIB medical adviser that the operational use of the 'go pill' had no adverse effect on the (pilots)."

In an interview with The Canadian Press yesterday, Stogran said he and other members of the 3rd Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, just want justice to take its course.

The colonel said he's "irked" by the tactics of the pilots' lawyers, including the release of selective segments of transcripts from inquiry interviews with Canadian soldiers suggesting weapons were fired into the air.

"Unfortunately, the families have to bear the brunt of these spurious revelations that are coming out," Stogran said.

"We just want justice to take its course. We're not out for vengeance or revenge or anything like that.

Negligence is negligence, whether it's at 20,000 feet or had it occurred within the battle group."

The only tracers going up would have been ricochets, Stogran said. And a helicopter pilot flying in the area at the time said those were visible for only 1,000 feet (330 metres), at most.

"As if a fighter aircraft at 20,000 feet would even see the terminal effects of a round at that range," said the colonel. "The tracer would have burnt out.

"I find it incomprehensible that the company would have been sitting on the ground shooting up into the air."

BACKBLAST

Anti-tank guns -- the largest weapons on-site -- could not be fired at a significant upward angle because the backblast would threaten lives on the ground.

To pilots at that altitude, the Canadian troops would have appeared a stone's throw away from what was unmistakably a coalition airfield. There was a detainee compound in the middle of the Kandahar base that was lit up like a football field every night. Supply flights coming in to the base would navigate by those lights from 80 km out.

The Tarnac Puhl training area was so close to the airfield, troops would sometimes walk it, out and back. Platoon - or company-sized exercises were conducted at the former al-Qaida training site daily. And soldiers wore infrared strobes as well as glint tape on their helmets so they would be visible to allied aircraft.

"There was one quick-reaction force mission where the Spectre gunships actually talked one of our platoons onto an objective at night using their infrared signature," Stogran said.


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KEYWORDS: adhd; crank; fratricide; friendlyfire; ritalin
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1 posted on 12/21/2002 4:05:53 AM PST by Clive
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2 posted on 12/21/2002 4:06:19 AM PST by Clive
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To: Clive
Amphetemines were used a lot in the 1960s to stay awake. Students used them, and so did truckdrivers. They were not considered "narcotics".

What changed things is the problems: If you take too many or too long, you can "crash" afterward. And if you go without sleep too long, your judgement goes, then you can hallucinate. After a few horrendous truck crashes, they made them Class II narcotics, which are harder to obtain
3 posted on 12/21/2002 4:56:29 AM PST by LadyDoc
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To: Clive
Pilots taking uppers to stay awake on long missions.... I heard last night that the military is studying the possiblity of soldiers staying awake for seven days at a time, the story was that dolphins do this. They use part of their brain while the other part sleeps. They want to see if human soldiers can do this. I hope they are considering the possible bad side effects of staying awake too long. The brain can start playing tricks on you. Just like when they gave me sleeping pills in the hospital. The first night is was OK. By the third night I was hallucinating all night. That was my brain playing tricks on me. It didn't like the lack of sleep or the drug.
4 posted on 12/21/2002 5:05:24 AM PST by buffyt
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To: LadyDoc
"After a few horrendous truck crashes, they made them Class II narcotics, which are harder to obtain."

So the military then feeds them to pilots who have been trained to a high level of aggressiveness, so as to enable them to continue to sortie well beyond normal fatigue limits.

Then when there is a fratricide incident they charge the pilots with involuntary manslaughter and assault.

I have always held that the pilots deserved, at most, administrative discipline and a severe reprimand.

A fortiori where they were encouraged to take speed.

5 posted on 12/21/2002 5:08:31 AM PST by Clive
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To: Vulcan Bullshrimp
The drugs are pefectly safe millions of school children are administered them every day.
7 posted on 12/21/2002 5:17:31 AM PST by rastus macgill
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To: LadyDoc
Today amphetamines and other stimulants are prescribed for children to improve their behavior and school performance.
8 posted on 12/21/2002 5:20:43 AM PST by rastus macgill
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To: rastus macgill
Their parents jack their kid's scripts, as they get adults high rather than calming them down.
9 posted on 12/21/2002 5:24:40 AM PST by txhurl
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To: rastus macgill
Yes, and that is a whole other issue.

Better learning through chemistry.

10 posted on 12/21/2002 5:28:47 AM PST by Clive
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To: txflake
The effects of the drugs(dex,ritalin etc) are largely the same in children and adults.Hence the boom in diagnosis of ADHD in adults.
11 posted on 12/21/2002 5:28:59 AM PST by rastus macgill
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To: rastus macgill
The kids are not flying high performance aircraft loaded with death dealing ordnance.
12 posted on 12/21/2002 5:29:56 AM PST by Clive
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To: Clive
"This is speed," said Dr. Robert DuPont, former White House drug czar. "This is where we got the phrase, speed kills."



I find the issue to be the same.How can speed be safe for children as young as three yet a dangerous drug in our military pilots.It is the same drug.
13 posted on 12/21/2002 5:33:04 AM PST by rastus macgill
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To: rastus macgill
Same reason we stuff 'breakfast cereal' down our kids' throats every morning.
14 posted on 12/21/2002 5:37:35 AM PST by txhurl
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To: Clive
The Canadian board of inquiry said "go pills" have been used for more than 30 years.

Actually, they have been used for more than 60 years by military pilots. My father was a WWII bomber pilot in the South Pacific. They regularly flew missions lasting more than twelve hours and "speed" was commonly used. The crews tried to sleep on their cots in tents in the jungle heat and humidity between missions. The missions were obviously very dangerous. Men were keyed up and could not get proper rest. When they had to go again, they were trying to fly without proper rest so pills were a way to stay alert to get the job done. It was a vicious spiral.

15 posted on 12/21/2002 5:59:20 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Ditto the 60 years.
The Luftwaffe had a benzedrine laced cocoa the pilots drank.
16 posted on 12/21/2002 6:10:19 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Clive
Two Pilots made an honest mistake, they were told not to fire but honestly thought they were under attack and fired despite their orders. The victims of their mistake were Canadians. Our relations with the Canadian govt. are somewhat strained so the pilots are being dealt with somewhat more severely than they normally would be. The pilots feel that they are getting the shaft so they hire a P.R. agent who cooks up an excuse...The U.S. govt. is jacking their pilots up with something a little stronger than coffee...and shops it around the network news organizations. 20/20 bites because it likes taking backhanded slaps at the military especially when it's being run by a bunch of Republicans.

Am I nuts, or do you all need another cup of joe this morning?
17 posted on 12/21/2002 6:52:47 AM PST by heckler
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To: rastus macgill
Today amphetamines and other stimulants are prescribed for children to improve their behavior and school performance.

Yup. IT's easier to treat the kids than change the schools so hyperactive boys can learn without sitting for hours on end.

However, in a small percentage of children, there is such a thing as ADD, and these stimulents help. I have seen many children with Fetal Alcohol syndrome where a small dose of stimulents calmed them enough to stay in regular classes, and that calmed them enough that their elderly grandmothers or aunts could care for them (usually kids taken from mom who was an alcoholic) rather than putting them in a non realted foster home.

There is a difference between use (which help severe problems to cope) and misuse (where drugs manipulate normal people to be perfect).

Use of stimulants in war is a borderline case. But there is a rumor that they were using both "uppies" and "downies" to allow the bombing of Afghanistan. This is dangerous.

18 posted on 12/21/2002 6:57:56 AM PST by LadyDoc
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To: rastus macgill
No difference? How many Ritalin children do you know have dropped 250 pound bombs from F-16s on other people?

The pro-druggies are getting excited because they believe they see a crack in the dike. Just a little longer and George Soro's socialist pro-dope society will be a reality: take all the drugs you want and let other people clean up the carange and mess after you.

Pro-druggies aren't stupid. Just duplicitous.

19 posted on 12/21/2002 7:04:31 AM PST by Kevin Curry
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To: LadyDoc
No one has mentioned it but I think that the amphetamines were at one time (maybe still) prescribed for narcolepsy, a rare disorder. Sufferers from narcolepsy can be talking to you and then suddenly fall asleep...no one is that boring.

Also, if I recall correctly, they were at one time used as weight-reducing pills since one of the side effects is complete elimination of the appetite. At one time some physicians became "fat doctors" who specialized in handing out these pills.

None of this, of course, is applicable to the issue at hand, just thought someone may find it of interest.
20 posted on 12/21/2002 7:04:45 AM PST by OldPossum
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