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Christian persecution by Arafat: Joseph Farah reveals why 2 million have fled the Middle East ^ | Friday, January 3, 2003 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 01/03/2003 2:01:37 AM PST by JohnHuang2

Question: What's worse than being bullied, harassed, intimidated and persecuted for your faith?

Answer: Being bullied, harassed, intimidated and persecuted for your faith – and watching the perpetrator of these crimes against humanity successfully blame someone else for committing them.

That's exactly what is happening to Christians today in Yasser Arafat's Palestinian Authority. They are being beaten up. They are being killed. They are having their businesses burned down. They are watching their daughters raped. They are being run out of their ancestral homelands.

And the very people doing this – Arafat's PA – are blaming it all on Israel.

The latest evidence of this campaign came on Christmas Day in an editorial in the Jordan Times.

Interestingly, the editorial doesn't sugar-coat the toll on Christians.

All true. But the reasons for this modern-day exodus are totally obscured by the report.

After explaining that Christians tend to be professionals and belong to the middle class, the paper says it is easier for them to find employment abroad. Christians, the paper says, feel more at home in the West. It all sounds like the Jordan Times is writing this off as a voluntary phenomenon. Then the phony blame-game begins.

"A few experts have also talked of some sort of pressure from Palestinian Islamic militant groups, such as Hamas, although this phenomenon has certainly played a negligible part in the Christian exodus from the Holy Land, compared to the brutal aggression carried out by Israel," the editorial says.

Nothing could be further from the truth. This kind of distortion adds insult to injury to the remnant of Christians left in the Holy Land. They know who their enemy is. They know why are they are oppressed. They know who is attacking them. They know who is occupying them.

And it's not Israel.

I've talked to these people. I've broken bread with these people. And a new documentary, "Holy Land: Christians in Peril," made within the Palestinian Authority demonstrates just what an outrageous lie is being perpetrated by Arafat and his co-conspirators in the Arab world with regard to the persecution of Christian Arabs.

Here are the facts. Some 2 million Christians have fled the Middle East in the past 20 years. Some estimates are much higher than this. Since Arafat took over administration of the Palestinian territories from Israel the Christian population has dropped from 15 percent to 2 percent.

If these people were fleeing Israeli oppression, why did they leave after the Israelis left? It makes no sense.

The Jordan Times, apologists for Arafat to the end, knows this truth. It knows the only way Israel has sped up the exodus of Christians from the Middle East is by withdrawing from territories in Judea, Samaria, Gaza, southern Lebanon and elsewhere. When Israel administered those areas, Christian Arabs believed they had a friend in the Jewish state.

Now the protective hand of Israel has been lifted because Israel itself is under siege.

It's time for the whole world to recognize the mini-holocaust taking place against Christians in the Middle East.

As the Jordan Times wrote: "How much longer will it take for the international community to come out against the ethnic cleansing in Palestine?"

They've got that right. It is indeed a form of ethnic cleansing. But the perpetrators are not Israelis, they are Muslim Arabs, and they are acting under the color of authority of Yasser Arafat.

TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
Friday, January 3, 2003

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1 posted on 01/03/2003 2:01:37 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
An Informative Discussion on regarding a Guest Commentary by Evan Kholmann on ""AXIS OF EVIL" Indicted Hamas Leader Linked to Al Qaeda Activist in Midwest" (010203)

2 posted on 01/03/2003 2:12:31 AM PST by Cindy
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To: JohnHuang2
Let the new Crusade begin, NOW!
3 posted on 01/03/2003 2:13:46 AM PST by Highest Authority
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To: JohnHuang2
There is no better giveaway to the malevolence of Islamic apologists (and their supporters on the Left) than this: on the vanishingly rare occasions when a Christian attacks a Muslim, they trumpet it to the skies, but on the far more frequent occasions when Muslims attack Christians, they're as silent as death.

There is no better indication of the toxicity of Islam than this: its condonement and, among many, encouragement of attacks on non-Muslims. No matter what the circumstances, Muslims always have a reason why the attacker should be excused or the victim brought it on himself.

There is no better indication of the direction of the future than this: people with something to offer are emigrating from Muslim countries as fast as their legs can carry them. Soon, Muslims will find that they're no longer able to keep their own children, even if reared in absolute isolation from any non-Muslim influence, from abandoning their homelands and seeking countries where they can be free.

We will win.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
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5 posted on 01/03/2003 3:58:35 AM PST by fporretto
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To: billyjoebob
soldiers don't check the religion of the people before buldosing down their houses.

Evidence of terrrorism is all thats needed - regardless of religion. Felling sorry for some homeless friends?

6 posted on 01/03/2003 4:02:23 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: billyjoebob
blowing up buses is a war crime - curfews, nah.
8 posted on 01/03/2003 4:22:13 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: billyjoebob
So you believe Israeli actions are the cause of the exodus of Christians from lands occupied by the PLO? Do you have any evidence that Israel has bulldozed a single Christian home? Can you list the names of Christian suicide bombers conducting attacks in Israel? First you criticize the author for making unfounded assertations then you proceed to do the same thing you criticized the author for doing. This kind of logic escapes most folks.
10 posted on 01/03/2003 4:49:11 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: billyjoebob
"Under the 1949 Geneva Conventions, collective punishments are a war crime. Article 33 of the Fourth Convention states: “No protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed,” and “collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.” Israel, however, does not accept that the Fourth Geneva Convention or the Additional Protocols apply to the West Bank de jure, but says it abides by the humanitarian provisions without specifying what the humanitarian provisions are"

Have you read this Convention? Why does it apply to the situation in the West Bank? Why would a terrorists and those aiding terrorism be considered a "protected person" under this Convention?

BTW, the "humanitarian provisions" are specified in Art 3.
11 posted on 01/03/2003 5:07:41 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: JohnHuang2
Shortly after getting Bethlehem from the Israelis, about 6 years ago, Arafat re-imposed dhimmitude on the Christians there - the outcaste status imposed on non-Moslems - fired them from any civil service or managerial jobs they had held under the Israeli administration and from any public offices. The local Christians dared to stage a protest march - which was called "the Christian intifada" - Arafat's troops fired into the crowd of marchers.
12 posted on 01/03/2003 5:07:46 AM PST by DonQ
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To: billyjoebob
This exodus has been going on for more than two decades. South America is loaded with Christian Arabs who have fled Lebanon, Syria and Palestine. In Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay the "Turcos" have used their skills to carve out an important niche in the retail trade. Importantly, they know the Muslim enemy only too well and that knowledge is invaluable to the intelligence services of many countries.
13 posted on 01/03/2003 5:09:22 AM PST by gaspar
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To: billyjoebob
So demolishing a "home" built without a permit is a war crime? You can't be serious. Such things happen even here in the United States. Are those enforcers of municipal zoning laws here in the United States also guilty of war crimes?

Why should we give Arafat and his terrorist buddies a chance to build a "viable state"? They've had that chance for years and the only thing they've "built" is a terrorist society devoted to the destruction of Israel. Israel is not the source of unrest, terrorism, and war in the middle east. The blame for that lies squarely upon those you support, Arafat and his terrorist organization.

Your commdenation of Arafat's actions is worthless when you also support giving that thug a state of his own to continue his agression and his terrorist activities.

As for all your links "defending" your assertation that Israel is the root cause of the exodus of Christians from the areas controlled by Arafat, keep looking, they do not support this claim of yours.
15 posted on 01/03/2003 6:32:00 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: billyjoebob
"I take it you are not disputing that israeli authorities deliberately destroy palistinian houses as punishment."

And, I take it that you're not disputing that this is a form of punishment for terrorist actions. Taking that as a given, then the issue becomes one of whether these actions are, as you've asserted, a form of "collective punishment" prohibited by the Fourth Geneva Convention. It's up to you to prove that point. (Citing biased sources such as Amnesty International or the Christian Science Monitor is not proof.) Please take note of Art 5 of that Convention when framing your response.

"Rather you have decided that "zoning laws" which deny palistinians permition to build but grant rights to jewish settlers to build in the same zone are fair and legal."

No, I've not decided that. I've only asked if the enforcement of zoning laws is, in your opinion, a war crime. I remind you that there are instances of the Israeli Army removing Jewish settlers and destroying their "homes" as well. While I don't have a cite at hand for that, I have seen film clips on CNN where this happened. I rather doubt either of us has at hand sufficient information to debate whether these "zoning laws" are fairly enforced. And, I'm sure you'll admit that would be an issue more adequately addressed by the courts where all the evidence could be layed out. I'm equally sure that you can produce all sorts of statements from people adversely affected by these "laws" but, quite frankly, most people involved in zoning disputes make similar claims. Whether these claims are valid cannot be established here.

So Arafat tolerates a few token Christians. That is hardly proof that he tolerates Christianity or any other religion or that he would continue that policy if given his own state.

"Your turn now - find me a reference to an article other than by Joseph Farah citing a specific example of Muslim Palastinians targeting christian palistinians."

You can't be serious? Where were you when "Muslim Palestinians" occupied and desecrated the Church Of the Nativity just last year. The list of persecutions of Christians and Jews is quite lengthy including the throwing of stones at Jews praying at the Wailing Wall, the descretion of Jewish cemetaries, the building of Mosques upon ground considered sacred by Christianity and Jews.
18 posted on 01/03/2003 8:13:08 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: billyjoebob
"Article 33 of the Fourth Convention states: “No protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed,”

They are being punished for knowingly harboring a terrorist and/or assisting said terrorist in planning terrorist acts.

And please don't bother to claim their families and neighbors did not know the guy (or guys) was (were) a terrorist(s). We all know better than that.

21 posted on 01/03/2003 10:18:02 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: billyjoebob
Those "people" were terrorists. They weren't some innocent palestinian wandering the street who just happened to take refuge in that sanctuary. They were known terrorists wanted for planning suicide bombing attacks and other terrorist activities. Attempting to equivalize the actions of a lawful armed force in pursuit of wanted terrorists with the terrorists being pursued is despicable.

But the point remains that you asked for a single act of Muslim palestinians "targeting Christian palestinians". You got it. And, a very despicable act it was. Their movement into that holy ground was deliberate despite your apologetics. They knew where they were and there were ample other buildings they could have choosen to occupy. The only reason they choose that church was to incite public opinion against the Israeli army. That is deliberate targeting.

You can highlight or capitalize all you wish. The facts remain that if a house is used to facilitate terrorist activities then that house is subject to destruction. The occupants of that house forfeit all protections under the Geneva Convention since they have become participants in a terrorist activity.

You were thinking of "genene"? Was that the place where the Israelis were forced to stop each amblance since the noble and peaceloving muslim palestinians were using red cross vehicles to transport bombs intended to blow up more family pizza parlors? Well, keep thinking. When you use humanitarian facilities such as amblances as cover then any armed force is fully justified in completely destroying such on sight. The Israelis would have been justified under international law to pre-emptively destroy any and all amblances but they chose to risk their troops in stoping and searching them instead.

These attempts to justify and apologize for muslim terrorists are quite pathetic and despicable.
22 posted on 01/03/2003 11:33:59 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: JohnHuang2
I have a Lebanese Christian in my Church and Farah is right on. Farah himself is an Arab Christian. What's sad is that the few Christians remaining in the Mid-East are forced to adopt the Muslim line. But they speak the truth in the US.
23 posted on 01/03/2003 12:14:29 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: billyjoebob
Well the Christians don't blow themselves up among civilians so there's no need for reprisals against there homes.
24 posted on 01/03/2003 12:17:39 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: billyjoebob
Since you believe that both Muslims and Christians are equaly oppressed by Israel, do you have any theories as to why the Christians don't blow themselves up in civilian areas?

Could it be that Islam isn't a religion of peace?
25 posted on 01/03/2003 12:24:30 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: billyjoebob
Israel is the only nation in the Middle East that has had the Palistinians forced on them. Saudi Arabia and Jordan ran them out years ago. Arafat and his group are thugs, plain and simple. I wish Israel would do the rest of the world a big favor, and just obliterate them.
26 posted on 01/03/2003 12:33:10 PM PST by wjcsux
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To: billyjoebob
If you disagree with this then presumably your own beliefs are not in accordance with peace because you advocate killing for "just reasons" like the muslims and therefore by your own logic people are justified in killing you.

I do not advocate slaughtering Muslims, but when Muslims wage war on the world then it is inevitable that many of them will die. I am a peaceful person, but if people are out to kill me and mine then I will fight.

Let me ask you another question. If the Palestinians were not Muslim, do you think the conflict would have been resolved already? Say the Palestinians were Catholic, or Hindu, or Budhist; do you think the situation would be different?
29 posted on 01/06/2003 2:59:44 AM PST by Michael2001
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To: billyjoebob
fine but lets change a few words and get the militant islam perspective

"I do not advocate slaughtering Americans, but when imperialists wage war on the Muslim world then it is inevitable that many of them will die. I am a peaceful person, but if people are out to kill and persicute me and mine then I will fight."

That's all well and good, but you are assuming that the Islamics are rational people and projecting our value system on them. They are not peaceful people, and we are not the only ones they are after. They are killing Orthodox Christians in Russia, Jews in Israel, Hindus in India, black Christians in Sudan and the list goes on.

They are not like us and that is what you don't realize. We fight for our rights and our freedoms. Our Founding Fathers fought against the British monarchy, we have fought Naziism and Communism. Muslims fight when somebody insults their prophet. A Christian Nigerian writes an article that says Mohammed would have married one of the Miss World contestants, and Muslims go beserk killing and injuring thousands of Christians. In this case, the Christians have no choice but to fight back; do you disagree?

We cannot give in to their demands. Sometimes you can compromise, but sometimes you have to stand and fight. At this time, we have to fight, so does Israel.

For the record I am opposed to the war on Iraq. I have many friends and family in the military, and I think it is a waste to send them to that God foresaken part of the world, while at the same time allowing those who hate us into this country. No Muslims in this country, and my friends can stay in Virginia. No war with Iraq and no Muslim immigration; that's my position.
32 posted on 01/06/2003 4:32:07 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: billyjoebob
I purposefully inserted the quotation marks around the word "people" to make a point. You first referred to them as people. That is incorrect. They are a hostile armed force that refuses to abide by the law of Landwarfare. As such, they are properly referred to as illegal combatants. They have no rights. They can be summarily dealt with. They have no right to due process or even a trial. They can be shot on sight. They can be executed after capture without trial.

You see, the basic error you make is assuming that civilian law applies. Due process, legal appeals, Miranda warnings (or the Israeli equivalent), etc., are simply not applicable to illegal combatants since illegal combatants have forfeited all rights. That does not mean that an armed force pursuing illegal combatants has carte blanche. Whether their actions are "moral" or "criminal" can only be judged in the context of military law, not civilian.

"But understandable, the church of the nativity is the only building in Bethlehem that the Israeli’s couldn’t blow up without arising international condemnation."

Seizing a church purely for the purpose of embarrassing the Israeli government is an example of the kinds of actions that made these "people" illegal combatants. Such actions are strictly prohibited by the Law of Landwarfare.

"facilitate terrorist activities" means exactly what it means, to knowingly further the achievement of terrorist activities. Encouraging a child to become a suicide bomber is one activity. Accepting a bounty for the death of a child who was a suicide bomber is another. Not reporting the suicide bomb factory in the home next door is another. I think you know full well what the words mean.

Jenin. Oh, yes, there was a lot of propaganda about the "bloody atrocities" committed by the Israelis in Jenin. All of which were subsequently disproven by independent news sources in the weeks following the events there. If you followed the story of Jenin at all, then you are fully aware of the follow-up stories that completly discredited the Palestinian version of events there. You might try searching freerepublic as there were many threads on that subject.

"I have never supported terrorism in any form."

Really? When you advance the arguments that you have in this thread, you support terrorist activities. When you try to establish a moral equivalence between terrorists and the Israeli armed forces, you support terrorist activities. When you repeat discredited tales of Israeli misconduct, you support terrorist activities. Maybe this support was based upon a lack of knowledge. If that be true, then you should investigate further. Once again there are some excellent threads in this forum.

33 posted on 01/06/2003 5:13:23 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: JohnHuang2
Muhammad's Koran-inspired persecution of Christians, Jews and all non-Muslims continues...
36 posted on 12/24/2004 2:19:10 AM PST by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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