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South Korea will ask US to offer North peace pact (VOMITING TILL YOU DIE ALERT)
The Times ^ | January 4, 2003 | Richard Lloyd Parry

Posted on 01/04/2003 6:04:50 AM PST by MadIvan

THE incoming South Korean president will ask the United States to promise not to attack North Korea in return for an abandonment of the communist state’s nuclear programme.

Yes, because the North Koreans can be so trusted to keep their promises. Anything bad they do can be traced to Kim Jong-Il having a mad dad. He should be on Oprah. /sarcasm - Ivan

Roh Moo-hyun’s attempt to end the Korean deadlock, outlined by the president-elect’s aides yesterday, will require a written security guarantee from the US Government if North Korea publicly renounces its nuclear activities.

Roh is an idiot. North Korea will publicly renounce, snicker and go back to building bombs to sell to the likes of Iraq and Al Qaeda - Ivan

But Washington swiftly rejected yesterday a new North Korean demand for a non-aggression treaty issued through Pyongyang’s ambassador to Beijing, and it remains doubtful whether either side is in a mood to compromise.

Choe Jin-su, the Ambassador, said that his Government would welcome talks with Washington provided that they were unconditional. The US has insisted that it will not reward North Korea with face-to-face meetings until it suspends its nuclear programmes, including the recently reopened Yongbyon reactor.

Mr Choe said: “If the US legally assures us of security by concluding a non-aggression treaty, the nuclear issue on the Korean peninsula will be easily settled.

“Only when both teams sit together can there be a dialogue and, without dialogue, no one can talk about a peaceful solution.”

Here is my solution - busybody leftists in South Korea should grow up, and the West should grind Kim Jong-Il into powder - Ivan

Mr Roh’s compromise proposal is consistent with his bold ambition to serve as a mediator between Pyongyang and Washington. In the past, South Korean presidents have rejected suggestions that the US should negotiate without the participation of Seoul. But Mr Roh, who supports tolerant engagement with the North, is encouraging this.

America’s tough stance has been strongly criticised by China. In an editorial, the English-language China Daily said that the Bush Administration had to tone down its rhetoric.

“The rigid US policy towards the DPRK (North Korea) will only exacerbate tensions between the two sides,” it said.

“The United States should first give up its superpower mentality and sanction policy and then treat the DPRK as an equal sovereign state." Describing the US Government as hawkish, the paper said that military action against North Korea was not an option. “A military solution to the DPRK’s nuclear issue would not be accepted by Washington’s allies in northeast Asia, namely the Republic of Korea and Japan, not to mention China and Russia,” it said. Military intervention was obviously not a wise option, which Washington itself realised.

“A peaceful settlement through dialogue and the denuclearisation of the Korean peninsula, as advocated by China and other countries concerned, is in the interests of all parties,” it said.

“Common sense from both sides could help solve the crisis and achieve the goal of denuclearisation in the peninsula.”

A spokesman for Mr Roh, quoted by South Korea’s Yonhap news agency, said that the South may offer to mediate. “We are working on a mediation proposal that asks for a concession from both US President George Bush and the North Korean leader,” Lim Chae-jung, the chairman of Mr Roh’s transition team, said.

Yonhap said that the Government was considering offering mediation and asking North Korea to drop any nuclear weapons programme in return for an American promise to guarantee the North’s security.

The past few days have seen intense diplomatic activity over the Korean problem which will gather pace next week.

A senior South Korean diplomat travelled to Moscow yesterday for talks with the Russian Government, following a similar mission to Beijing.

On Monday and Tuesday, South Korea, America and Japan will discuss the problem in Washington and the International Atomic Energy Agency will discuss North Korea’s expulsion of its observers from the Yongbyon plant.

Mr Roh’s team will present his compromise proposal this month, about the same time that President Bush’s envoy, James Kelly, arrives in Seoul for talks.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: missiles; northkorea; nukes; pact
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Were it not for the fact that North Korea sells weapons to rogue states, my suggestion would have been to allow the ingrates to be run over by the Communists and see how they like having to salute the Dear Leader and starve for the rest of their lives.

As North Korea is selling weapons that threaten the UK and USA, my suggestion is that we annihilate the North Koreans as a warning. Whether the South Koreans like it or not.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 01/04/2003 6:04:50 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: BigWaveBetty; widgysoft; Da_Shrimp; BlueAngel; JeanS; schmelvin; MJY1288; terilyn; Ryle; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 01/04/2003 6:05:06 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Agreed. I enjoyed your commentary.
3 posted on 01/04/2003 6:21:38 AM PST by happygrl
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To: happygrl
Pull out our troops and let the North take the South , THEN glass the place .
4 posted on 01/04/2003 6:30:12 AM PST by sushiman
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To: MadIvan
So South Korea is positioning itself as an island of reasonability between those crazy, warlike Americans and those paranoid North Koreans.

Pull our troops out. Each and every one of them. The Cold War is over and Cold War specific deployments like this are a thing of the past.

Besides, assumptions of North Korean martial prowess are much overrated.

I seriously believe that a Warsaw Pact assault on West Germany would have been stalled more by Russians soldiers looting than anything else.

I deeply enjoyed Col. Bruce Gudmonsson's work on the German 1918 stormtroop offensive "Stormtroop Tactics". In a lecture I heard him say how what ground the German spearheads to a halt was white bread and marmalade. When advancing German troops, men who had been lucky to get horsemeat and beans, overran British rear area depots stocked with good pre-war food, they pigged out. How long do you think starving North Korean troops used to privation would advance ? How enthusiastic would they be when they get a good look at the South Korean standard of living ?

Maybe the South Koreans know how much a house of cards North Korea really is.
5 posted on 01/04/2003 6:47:28 AM PST by Tokhtamish
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To: MadIvan
... we annihilate the North Koreans as a warning.

Well, why correct and decisive, the problem is not like it was in 1950.

Easy to be said but harder to do. What about the Chinee Ivan? The NKs pimp? Surely you know your history... don't you?

6 posted on 01/04/2003 6:48:38 AM PST by johnny7
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To: MadIvan
We're assuming the South Koreans think the same way we do...a rather dangerous assumption, in my not-so-humble opinion.

We have persuaded ourselves , on the basis of considerable evidence to the contrary that they are interested in freedom - which is akin to persuading oneself Hillary Clinton has no ambition other than to serve the people of NY.

Ho-kay ! This should be interesting...

7 posted on 01/04/2003 7:44:19 AM PST by genefromjersey
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To: MadIvan
Yes, reasonable North Korea being put in this situation by evil America! North Korea has threatened to "destroy the world", "nuke this, nuke that", put forward this garbage about how we are supposedly going to attack them but they really are giving us reason to lately. They just can't stop going for the weapons of mass destruction and providing them to terrorists, no doubt. Reason enough to attack and they've already broken their deal and want another one because the rules only apply to us, right?
8 posted on 01/04/2003 9:05:34 AM PST by bushfamfan
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To: MadIvan
BTTTT!


9 posted on 01/04/2003 9:58:04 AM PST by Paul Ross
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To: MadIvan
"Roh Moo-hyun’s attempt to end the Korean deadlock, outlined by the president-elect’s aides yesterday, will require a written security guarantee from the US Government if North Korea publicly renounces its nuclear activities."

I agree with your analyses/commentary. As if we are supposed to believe anything coming from the Northcomms. South Korea, in my view, has made themselves irrelevant now. NK is a threat beyond measure to America and freedom and must be neutralized very, very soon. Peace comes after the enemy has been utterly rendered nothing short of dead.
10 posted on 01/04/2003 12:13:42 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: sushiman
"Pull out our troops and let the North take the South , THEN glass the place ."

Looks like the most likely option. Allowing NK to continue on its nuclear path is 100% unacceptable. The RoK has just become irrelevant.
11 posted on 01/04/2003 12:15:06 PM PST by ApesForEvolution
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To: ApesForEvolution
The RoK has just become irrelevant.

No: They are worse: They are ungrateful bastards!
12 posted on 01/04/2003 12:28:41 PM PST by BenR2
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To: MadIvan
Since the South Koreans love us so much and are secure with the North, we should start planning to remove our 37,000 defenders from the D.M.Z. But first, we should allow Japan to develope nuclear weapons.

We should stop suppying North Korea with food. This goes to the army. Perhaps, their friend in the South will feed the hungry Commies.

Increase the naval presence in the area. Sink all ships carrying weapons sold by the North Korean.

Lastly, rush the sale of submarines to Taiwan. How about selling them some extra fighter planes???

13 posted on 01/04/2003 12:29:50 PM PST by undergroundwarrior
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To: undergroundwarrior
I totally agree about an immediate withdrawal of our 37,000 troops. They are now in the line of fire of a madman with nukes. This handicaps our efforts to deal with Kim Jong Il.The ROKs have been demonstrating aginst our presence for some months. Let's oblige them. They have n excellent standard of living, a high GNP, and a modern military. We spent 54,000 lives and billions defending them for fifty years. Let's worry about defending ourselves. Leaving the ground in Korea allows us more freedom of action against the nuts of the North, not less.
14 posted on 01/04/2003 12:38:59 PM PST by xkaydet65
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To: MadIvan
But Washington swiftly rejected yesterday a new North Korean demand for a non-aggression treaty issued through Pyongyang’s ambassador to Beijing,

The reason, which no one seems to mention, that we've never given them this before is that we have said to the North Koreans that until they sign a peace treaty with the South, there will be no non agression pact from us.

Why the South Koreans of all people think this is unreasonable is stunning.

I would like nothing better than to leave the South to its own devices. Unfortunately, there is absolutely no way that it would look like anything other than us cutting and running in the face of NKs nuclear weapons. We have to stay now, it's our credibility on the line, not South Koreans freedom. If they don't want it, fine, but we need to fight for our own interests.

15 posted on 01/04/2003 12:50:27 PM PST by Steel Wolf
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To: MadIvan
Don't interpret the current U.S. diplomatic "offensive" as timidity or passivity toward North Korea. Instead, Washington is quietly biding its time and waiting for the Iraq matter to be resolved--militarily. Once that's finished, the U.S. will be prepared to "swing" many of its units from the Gulf to the Far East. During my final tour as an Air Force intelligence officer, I served in an organization whose primary mission was wargaming and we played the two-conflict scenario many times. What many people don't realize is that many of the units earmarked for the Gulf are also required to support a conflict in the Far East, particularly the airlift, sealift, airpower and sea power assets required to fight a major regional conflict.

The prospect of a U.S. military "shift" to the Far East later this year actually creates some problems for Pyongyang. Do they risk racheting up the conflict now, and derail any hopes of a diplomatic "deal?" Do they accelerate their military timetable, realizing that the U.S. could fight a holding action in Korea, then shift its focus to take care of Pyongyang once and for all? Or do they simply wait, realizing that virtually all of their military preparations must stop in late March, so the military can be mobilized for agriculture. Most outsiders don't realize that the DPRK military is essentially on hiatus during the spring and summer, when troops are sent into the fields and rice paddies to support the agricultural effort. If Kim Jong-Il keeps his troops on high alert, the 2003 harvest will be a true catastrophe, imparing his ability to launch military action later on.

As strange as it may sound, time is on our side in this crisis. BTW, the absence of a U.S. military reaction to events in Korea tells me that the on-going winter training cycle in North Korea is very much within normal limits, suggesting that Pyongyang has no real plans to use its military option.

16 posted on 01/04/2003 1:52:05 PM PST by Spook86
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To: johnny7
The Chinese have nothing to gain from clinging to North Korea. Talk about shutting off the tap of investment and they'll snap-to.

Regards, Ivan

17 posted on 01/04/2003 2:48:23 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
Let's pray there isn't a repeat of the Pearl Harbor scenario ...
18 posted on 01/04/2003 4:19:13 PM PST by sushiman
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To: sushiman
What are you thinking of? The North invading the South???

If we remove our 37000 troops, what will happen??? An invasion would give us the opportunity to wipe out the North once and for all.

19 posted on 01/04/2003 4:21:32 PM PST by undergroundwarrior
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To: MadIvan
Oh. They require this, they require that. Isn't it cute when the microbes think they are important? Here are our demands, in response -

1. We require that 1 million North Koreans per year leave the country for South Korea, in a peaceful and orderly manner, indefinitely.

2. If there is any shortfall in the number in any calendar year, we will destroy elements of the NK political leadership and military by conventional air attack, at our pleasure.

3. After two full years of people leaving over the quota, we might provide grain to feed those who remain in North Korea. If we feel like it.

4. If the NK military so much as twitches at any time, the strike that follows will arrive within two hours and will be measured in gigatons.

5. If the NK regime doesn't like the offer, they can eat rocks and die.

Hey, it is at least as reasonable as their own pretentious silliness. Isn't this fun?

20 posted on 01/04/2003 4:40:39 PM PST by JasonC
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