Posted on 01/06/2003 7:55:23 PM PST by stainlessbanner
But comparisons between the systems of taxation between 1860 and 2003 aren't valid. In 1860 the government was funded almost exclusively by tariffs. That was a consumption tax in almost it's purest form. For the south to have paid 84% of the tariff it would have had to consume 84% of the imported goods or 84% of the output of the industries protected by the tariff. How was that possible?
How would common sense tell me that? 1/4 of the people paid 84% of the taxes in the year 2000. I don't find this hard to believe at all.
Common sense would tell you that if you were honest.
It's nonsense. The record shows that 95% of the tariff revenue came through northern ports. Two ports in the south actually LOST money. It cost more to operate them than the amount of money they generated.
Facts are inconvenient, aren't they?
You deserve to be called names because this has been posted directly to you before and you still spout the lies.
Walt
The point is that Lincoln summoned Gen. Butler to meet him in Washington via telegram. Do you really think Butler refused to meet Lincoln?
I don't recall the text of the telegram saying that Butler was to meet with Lincoln, only that he was to come to Washington. There is no corroboration that they met. You need to show that, in order to bolster the interpretation you espouse.
That interpretation is at odds with many public pronouncements in this period by both Lincoln and Butler.
It's shaky to the point of collapse.
Walt
They should be able to. Do you suppose the two groups are competing for which is more childish?
Shalom.
Was the term "economic development" used in the 1860's? Probably not.
You forgot this, didn't you?
"The next evil that my friend complained of, was the Tariff. Well, let us look at that for a moment. About the time I commenced noticing public matters, this question was agitating the country almost as fearfully as the Slave question now is. In 1832, when I was in college, South Carolina was ready to nullify or secede from the Union on this account. And what have we seen? The tariff no longer distracts the public councils. Reason has triumphed. The present tariff was voted for by Massachusetts and South Carolina. The lion and the lamb lay down together-- every man in the Senate and House from Massachusetts and South Carolina, I think, voted for it, as did my honorable friend himself. And if it be true, to use the figure of speech of my honorable friend, that every man in the North, that works in iron and brass and wood, has his muscle strengthened by the protection of the government, that stimulant was given by his vote, and I believe every other Southern man. So we ought not to complain of that.
[Mr. Toombs: That tariff lessened the duties.]
[Mr. Stephens:[ Yes, and Massachusetts, with unanimity, voted with the South to lessen them, and they were made just as low as Southern men asked them to be, and those are the rates they are now at. If reason and argument, with experience, produced such changes in the sentiments of Massachusetts from 1832 to 1857, on the subject of the tariff, may not like changes be effected there by the same means, reason and argument, and appeals to patriotism on the present vexed question? And who can say that by 1875 or 1890, Massachusetts may not vote with South Carolina and Georgia upon all those questions that now distract the country and threaten its peace and existence? I believe in the power and efficiency of truth, in the omnipotence of truth, and its ultimate triumph when properly wielded. (Applause.)"
-- Alexander Stephens, November, 1860
Your interpretation is devoid of reference to the historical record.
Your interpretation is fantasy.
Walt
as for our battleflag, maro is in 3 words: WRONG,WRONG, WRONG! the battleflag of dixie means JUST one thing to the VAST MAJORITY of southrons = FREEDOM from OPPRESSION/ancester worship. nothing more/nothing less!
all the combined LIES of all the self-righteous damnyankee & scalawags in the universe can NOT change that!
FRee dixie,sw
i PERSONALLY know a "very nice lady" here in yankee-occupied VA that believes SINCERELY that the pictures of men on the moon were made up in hollywood OR are "claymation".
finding one blind person in the world says ZILCH about the vison of the mass of the globe's population.
FRee dixie,sw
FRee dixie,sw
the WBTS was about JUST ONE major cause:
FREEDOM FOR DIXIE.nothing more, nothing less.
the greatest SHAME of all was that the self-serving, arrogant, racist, anti-semetic damnyankee elites were UNWILLING to see dixie go her own way & that at least a MILLION LIVES were thrown away for that dubious goal.
FRee dixie NOW,sw
the FIRST AMENDMENT applies EVERYWHERE! let me say that in point of fact, the courts, largely controlled by persons of the so-called "liberal bent", have MIS-interpreted the Constitution to the benefit ONLY of the ELITES!
this is just one of the reasons that conservatives must work HARD to assure that the "liberals" NEVER again have the majority in either house of the congress AND that we follow W's 8 years with another 8 years of CONSERVATIVE administration AND pack the USSC & appeals courts with CONSERVATIVE, constitution-loving judges.
free dixie,sw
FRee dixie,sw
LOL!
FRee dixie,sw
ROTF! Let's see, Lincoln summons Butler to Washington for what?
Sightseeing?
A vacation?
To watch a play?
To meet with the President?
When one of your commanding officers summoned you, did you report to that commander or his subordinate? Or did you just ignore it?
ROTF! Let's see, Lincoln summons Butler to Washington for what?
I haven't found any credible indication that they even met during 1865. Neither have you.
Walt
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