Socialism: Its evil permeates American society

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review ^ | 1/12/03 | David P. Shreiner

[supercat]

The SSA act of 1935.

Where in Artice I, or in any article of amendment, was Congress given the authority to implement an intergenerational Ponzi scheme? It's too bad that FDR's court-packing prevented any real review of the SSA, since it is absolutely without constitutional basis and lacks the types of trickeries that were needed to make other less-severe forms of redistribution pass muster.

[DAnconia55]

Really? When was adultery ever defined to include anything other than a married person having relations with someone other than a legitimate spouse?

It's that same fantastic section where it mention that people are living in sin, if they are not married under the same roof.

F'n barbarian asshats.

[DAnconia55]

WHOA!! What he said. Way to go, Spiff !!

[dtel]

No asshole, the leeching and stealing from me was against my will.
According to my statement, YOU will be paying ME around a grand a month and I have already satisfied my donation? requirements.
Deal with it, you ain't got the power to change anything anyway.
Rant on, little man.
You know what is even worse, I am only 45 and am going to make the minimum amount of "money" possible for the rest of my living days, so as to keep my involvement in the system at the minimum.
I damn sure won't be paying 40K a year in income taxes any longer, sometimes that downsizing, overqualified thing works in your favor.
Work hard, many are depending on you.

[tpaine]

Essentially, the issue is this: the government has promised people more money than it has or can morally claim title to. Someone is going to have to pay the price for the government's malfeasance. The only equitable thing I can see to do is divvy up the "pain" among workers and retirees.
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The printing presses will roll, and inflation will 'cure' the problem, until we all end up on a soup line, imho.

[motzman]

Where in Artice I, or in any article of amendment, was Congress given the authority to implement an intergenerational Ponzi scheme?

It doesn't make a difference; it's a moot point. It's the law of the land. Try rolling it back now and see how far you get.

I betcha you'd get nowhere. Real fast. Unfortunately.

[Ken H]

I agree that there is no constitutional authority for the Federal government's Social Security program. It is theft, pure and simple.

However, Mr. paine's money would have been taken at gunpoint and he likely would have been jailed had he refused to pay those taxes.

The least the Feds could do would be to return his stolen money, with interest, and issue an apology, don't you think?

[DAnconia55]

....errr.. both of you should calm down.

Spiff, like me, is young, and plenty pissed that we have to pay for the Federal Winnebago Retirement Program.

But tpaine has a point in that it isn't his fault, and they took the 7% without his consent.

A moral solution is for the government to allow those under 40 to surrender their SS contributions, and to drop the SS tax on us RIGHT NOW.

[motzman]

The printing presses will roll, and inflation will 'cure' the problem, until we all end up on a soup line, imho.

That's the only way it's going to stop. The "other" way involves armed rebellion (which, again, I do not advocate)--but this is highly unlikely to happen since a good 50% or so of our countrymen don't understand what "Is" is.

[supercat]

It's that same fantastic section where it mention that people are living in sin, if they are not married under the same roof.

Sorry if I was being overly pedantic, but you used the term "adultery" [as distinct from "fornication", "living in sin", or any other such terms]. Words mean things, and adultery specifically means someone who is married having relations with someone outside that marriage.

BTW, I understand that gestation periods for first children used to often be rather shorter than for subsequent ones. Whether or not pre-marital relations were ever considered "acceptable", they certainly happened; provided the people involved were married before the baby came along the child would be considered legitimate and not have any stigma attached to its rapid gestation.

Of course, one thing that was very different 150 years ago is that many more people married before becoming independent of their parents (and even after being married, they still stayed close to Mom and Dad). I suspect this did a lot to help marriages work, since the husband and wife would grow together instead of joining only after each was fully grown, mature, and independent.

[dtel]

You know what, little man?
I actually had my wages garnished by the IRS when I was first starting my career because I was so foolish as to believe the system didn't apply to me.
Read Irwin Schiff, his books make a lot of sense, I think he might still be in prison though.
Get you a big crying rag, you're going to need it.

[Spiff]

No a**hole, the leeching and stealing from me was against my will. According to my statement, YOU will be paying ME around a grand a month and I have already satisfied my donation? requirements. Deal with it, you ain't got the power to change anything anyway. Rant on, little man. Work hard, many are depending on you.

Would you walk around and steal that $1000 per month from your friends and neighbors!? No. But you think it is OK to have the government do it for you.

When you retire and you think about going on Social Security, why don't you try to come get your "contribution" from me? I won't pay in cash though - I hope that 7.62x39mm rounds at 2400fps are an acceptable form of payment.

[weikel]

The insurance companies are just a product of the guvment and the lawyers.

[supercat]

The least the Feds could do would be to return his stolen money, with interest, and issue an apology, don't you think?

And just where is that money going to come from?

The fact is that the people from whom SS "contributions" were taken have a right to their money, but no more right than anyone else from whom money would have to be taken to pay it back. The most equitable thing to do, therefore, would be to provide partial repayment of the money that was illegitimately taken, much in the way that a bankruptcy court awards partial payments of debts to creditors. I don't know what formulae would be most equitable, but something involving partial repayment is the only thing that would seem fair to me.

[c-b 1]

I'd like to know why Hollywood is so full of so-called stars , that believe in this.

It really is very simple, Lennin, then Stalin funded operatives to promote Communism, buy influence, and start, and maintain Communist Cells in Hollywood. They understood that if the writers, and actors were sold on communism the movie industry was the greatest tool they could have for conditioning the minds of Americans to accept Communism.

As an example Henry Fonda was a cell leader, many actors of the 50s and 60s were active cell members. Who knows how many cells are active today

[Cindy]

DUBOB 10 (Courtesy of Backhoe)
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[Spiff]

The least the Feds could do would be to return his stolen money, with interest, and issue an apology, don't you think?

They can't return it. They spent it already. They would have to steal further money from me and every other working American to pay people back for the money they already stole. I'm tired of having money stolen from me. I earn it. I have to work all the way through January and February of each year just to pay my annual "contribution" to the freakin' leeches living off my paycheck. That doesn't even count the months I have to work to earn money to be confiscated as income tax that will be spent on welfare and other unconstitutional social programs.

Heck, I even pay local property tax that goes into a school system that my children don't even use as they are homeschooled. I sure could use that money to spend on my kids' own curriculum and not for someone else's kids' curriculum.

[dtel]

Read my posts, put your gun down.
We are coming from the same place here, except you are too stupid to realize it.
Chill out, have another bong. Or whatever you guys do to relax these days.

[tpaine]

....errr.. both of you should calm down.

I'm 'uncalm'? You mistake the medium for the message. - After five years of FReekers like 'spiff', it takes a lot to lo0se your cool.

Spiff, like me, is young, and plenty pissed that we have to pay for the Federal Winnebago Retirement Program.

Gee, that concept never occured to us forty years ago. The Airsteam crowd were our main bitch way back then. Times sure do change. - Yep.

[DAnconia55]

Sorry if I was being overly pedantic, but you used the term "adultery" [as distinct from "fornication", "living in sin", or any other such terms]. Words mean things, and adultery specifically means someone who is married having relations with someone outside that marriage.

Errr... I didn't do that, and I was agreeing with you. Sarcasm. I was tweaking the 'I think I'm holier than thou, but I'm really not holier than a cheese sandwich' posters.