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To: Spiff
Really!? Show me the contract. Tell me how much is in your Social Security account that is owed to you. Further, show me the portion of the Constitution that granted the Federal Government or any of its agencies the authority to enter into such an agreement with you.

The SSA act of 1935. The details of accounts, how much is owed, are moot points. You cannot opt out.

Leech. Looter. Thief.

Dreamer. Slanderer. Kook.

What's next, are you and 0.015% of the population going to storm the Bastille?

Sheesh.
54 posted on 01/12/2003 8:00:29 PM PST by motzman ("Looney Insightful Linguist")
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To: motzman
The SSA act of 1935.

Where in Artice I, or in any article of amendment, was Congress given the authority to implement an intergenerational Ponzi scheme? It's too bad that FDR's court-packing prevented any real review of the SSA, since it is absolutely without constitutional basis and lacks the types of trickeries that were needed to make other less-severe forms of redistribution pass muster.

61 posted on 01/12/2003 8:08:27 PM PST by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: motzman
The SSA act of 1935.
"The Social Security system may be accurately described as a form of social insurance, enacted pursuant to Congress' power to "spend money in aid of the `general welfare,'" Helvering v. Davis, supra, at 640, whereby persons gainfully employed, and those who employ them, are taxed to permit the payment of benefits to the retired and disabled, and their dependents. Plainly the expectation is that many members of the present productive work force will in turn become beneficiaries rather than supporters of the program. But each worker's benefits, though flowing from the contributions he made to the national economy while actively employed, are not dependent on the degree to which he was called upon to support the system by taxation. It is apparent that the noncontractual interest of an employee covered by the Act cannot be soundly analogized to that of the holder of an annuity, whose right to benefits is bottomed on his contractual premium payments." FLEMMING v. NESTOR, 363 U.S. 603(1960)

101 posted on 01/12/2003 9:04:47 PM PST by Roscoe
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