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Using Marijuana May Not Raise the Risk of Using Harder Drugs (but look at alternative explanation)
RAND's Drug Policy Research Center ^
| December 2, 2002
| RAND's Drug Policy Research Center
Posted on 01/20/2003 4:59:56 PM PST by unspun
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To: bayourod
No idea, just basing it on the actual physical properties of the drug, not hearsay.
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posted on
01/20/2003 6:14:48 PM PST
by
rb22982
To: headsonpikes
"Tomorrow, I'll be coming after you, but at this moment my bride is calling me for dinner. ;^)"HAHAHA, this from someone who lives in the marijuana capital of the West coast.
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posted on
01/20/2003 6:21:18 PM PST
by
bigfootbob
(B.C. bud, and I don't mean Budweiser :>)
To: headsonpikes
We don't need to be at war on this; we just need to act wisely and responsibly.
But, do you mean this kind of posting for instance? -- a response to a post from an apparent drug libber, who presented this standard for prohibiting legislation about matters that are... "above and beyond living peacefully and honestly."
A Libertarian standard would interpret this only as if it said "legislate only against the immediate, direct, and objective infringement upon the peace of others." An intellectually honest view, however is that traditionally, this does not satisfy free Americans who have always sought to promote the general welfare through responsible government action, from guardrails on highways, to banning intoxicants, to investing in vaccines, to outlawing sex with consenting minors, to banning the unauthorized ownership of deadly contagens, to prohibiting consentual fights to the death (even in dogfight events) to banning unauthorized tests of nuclear fission, and on and on.
Americans have been at work, choosing very carefully, from the get go, what negative behaviors to legislate, which lead to and result in the violation of our peace or freedom, and the deterioration of our welfare. We weigh these things in the balance. It is fundamentally dishonest to engage in destructive behaviors of all sorts and free, republican Ameicans have traditionaly treated these matters with liberties of all sorts in mind. In mind in good perspective, that is.
Any judge or justice worth his salt has understood this, with the very balance of consideration declared in the Preamble to the Constitution, its summarizing statement of original intent.
But I understand that this is "statism" and "socialism" to revisionistic Libertarians. Not to worry; I understand that. But the sovereign People do not need to be forced to exhalt the regard of our rights and liberties above our mutual responsibilities so as to disconnect the two. We do not need to be imposed upon to idolize liberties.
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posted on
01/20/2003 6:22:17 PM PST
by
unspun
("Inalienable right to own hash, PCP, ricin, C4, smallpox & plutonium." - Totalibertarian)
To: unspun
I.e., either way you slice it, if intoxicants including marijuana are more freely available, they will simply add to the use of hard drugs, among those who are so inclined. You hit the nail on the head. Thank you.
To: bigfootbob
Oh come on. I tried hemp flavored food at the local "health food" store and it tasted like, well... "Why do you think they call it sh!#?"
I don't think heads' (no druggie allusion sought) would wanna eat that stuff. ;-`
Need to feed that habit, myself.
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posted on
01/20/2003 6:26:40 PM PST
by
unspun
("Inalienable right to own hash, PCP, ricin, C4, smallpox & plutonium." - Totalibertarian)
To: Beelzebubba
Exactly. Do you speed?
To: Karsus
Get serious. The proportionality I cited--marijuana to hard drugs--is much closer than your ridiculously extreme examples. I reiterate--if you're willing to break the law, either the criminal law or that of self-preservation, in a relatively minor way, you're probably ready to break it in a big way. Perhaps that's why Jesus pointed out that he who is willing to be faithful in little things can be trusted with bigger ones.
To: bayourod
Nobody is calling you a liar. Your statement is just not very likely. It's a bit like someone claiming Tylenol made them rape and kill, or a Twinkie (oops, never mind...).
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posted on
01/20/2003 6:37:27 PM PST
by
eno_
To: Mike4Freedom
Keeping MJ illegal encourages the use of hard drugs.What do you suppose criminalizing marijuana use does to encourage marijuana use? Would consumption go up or down if it were legalized? Has it? What is the observed effect on hard drug use?
To: Hebrews 11:6
To: Hebrews 11:6
Here's a fact that should get all the WOD lovers foaming at the mouth. Since the medical marijuana law in California was enacted in 1996, marijuana has been and is used as a "Gateway Drug Back", nifty term, Eh?
That is a clinical term used for the substitution of cannabis for more HARMFUL drugs-especially alcohol and opiates. Harm reduction. Cannabis is used for the dextoxification of alcoholics and opiate dependency.
Don't believe me? Look for yourself: http:/www.mikuriya.com/meduses.html
Dr. Mikuriya, MD, is a renowned Psychiatrist, specializing in alcohol and drug dependency, and a retired 2nd Lt Army Medical Corp.
To: Republic of Texas
What is this marijuana stuff I keep hearing about here?
GET MY ROCKS OFF
Some men need some killer weed
and some men need cocaine.
Some men need some cactus juice
to purify their brain.
Some man need 2 women,
and some need alcohol.
Everybody needs a little something
but, Lord, I need it all...
To get my rocks off, get my rocks off,
get my rocks off the mountain...
and roll'em down the hill.
I may do you one time
and I may do you more
And I may turn you in to somethin'
you ain't ready for.
I might want your body
or I might want your bread
Or I might want your Momma
to come visit me instead...
To get my rocks off, get my rocks off,
get my rocks off the mountain...
and roll'em down the hill.
Sometimes I dream of chicks
to bring me everlasting joy.
Sometimes I dream of animals,
sometimes I dream of boys.
Sometimes I kill the living,
sometimes I raise the dead.
Sometimes I just say screw it all
and jump back into bed...
And get my rocks off...
To get my rocks off, get my rocks off,
get my rocks off the mountain...
and roll'em down the hill.
SHEL SILVERSTEIN
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posted on
01/20/2003 7:17:58 PM PST
by
sinclair
(Hey, I just come in here for nothin'... Hope I'm not wastin' anybody's time.)
To: Hebrews 11:6
Would consumption go up or down if it were legalized?Let us assume that MJ were legalized and treated like alcohol is now. It would be made into cigarettes in legal factories with quality control systems so there would be consistent dosage and no unknown additives. It will probably be sold side by side with alcohol in what are now called liquor stores.
Kids would have a hard time getting any, though they might get some. They get some beer now, often with the assistance of their parents.
The government would stop the silly lies about its effects and the people who need it would have no problem getting their medicine. The black market would lose its biggest money maker and MJ smokers would have no need to do business with those guys.
Many lawyers in the prosecution and defense business would be out of work. So would many police, prison guards, testing companies, drug counselors and drug dealers.
Tens of thousands of people would become productive, tax paying citizens again when they are released from jail.
All in all, sounds like a really good idea, whether consumption goes up or down. My guess is that there will be little change, but we will never know for sure since we have no accurate numbers on use now, since it is all black market.
To: Hebrews 11:6
What is your opinion of strong drink?
What you just said:
"I reiterate--if you're willing to break the law, either the criminal law or that of self-preservation, in a relatively minor way, you're probably ready to break it in a big way"
Your broad, unsupported statement says that if you break ANY minor law you will more than likely break a major law. Do not blame me for what you type.
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posted on
01/20/2003 7:46:14 PM PST
by
Karsus
(TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD) Humor)
To: Hebrews 11:6
Easy. Because it is forbidden, just look at teens and beer. Just like the rate of rape is lower in countries that have less restrictive rules on pornograpy and prostitution.
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posted on
01/20/2003 7:49:23 PM PST
by
Karsus
(TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD) Humor)
To: Hebrews 11:6
The 1999 federal National Household Survey of Drug Abuse provides an estimate of the age of first use of drugs. According to the Household Survey, the mean age of first use of marijuana in the US in 1997 was 17.2 years. The mean age of first use of alcohol in that year, on the other hand, was 16.1 years, and the mean age of first use of cigarettes was 15.4 years old. Source: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, US Department of Health and Human Services, Summary of Findings from the 1999 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse (Rockville, MD: SAMHSA, August 2000), pp. G-49, G-60 & G-61.
Over 72 million Americans have used marijuana, yet for every 120 people who have ever tried marijuana, there is only one active, regular user of cocaine.
Source: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, US Department of Health and Human Services, National Household Survey on Drug Abuse: Population Estimates 1998 (Washington DC: US Department of Health and Human Services, 1999), pp. 19, 25, 31.
Substance |
Ever Used |
Used in Past Year |
Used in Past Month |
Number of Frequent Users |
Alcohol |
184.4 million 81.7% |
143.6 million 63.7% |
109.0 million 48.3% |
46.3 million 20.5% |
Tobacco |
161.0 million 71.4% |
78.6 million 34.8% |
66.4 million 29.5% |
N/A |
Marijuana |
83.2 million 36.9% |
21.0 million 9.3% |
12.1 million 4.8% |
N/a |
Cocaine |
27.7 million 12.3% |
4.1 million 1.9% |
1.6 million 0.7% |
N/A |
Crack |
6.2 million 2.8% |
1.0 0.3% |
0.4 0.2% |
* N/A |
Heroin |
3.0 million 1.4% |
0.45 0.2% |
0.12 0.1% |
* N/A |
Source: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, US Department of Health and Human Services, Results from the 2001 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse: Volume 1. Summary of National Findings (Rockville, MD: Ofice of Applied Studies, August 2002), p. 109, Table H.1; p. 110, Table H.2; p. 129, Table H.21; and p. 130, Table H.22.
Sorry, not much of a correlation
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posted on
01/20/2003 9:18:33 PM PST
by
rb22982
To: bayourod
A friend of mine tried marijuana once. It made him want to rape and kill. And you have no right to keep him from feeling that way!
/sarc
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posted on
01/20/2003 9:38:39 PM PST
by
unspun
("Inalienable right to own hash, PCP, ricin, C4, smallpox & plutonium." - Totalibertarian)
To: sinclair
Obviously the anthem of an enlightened soul and an objective mind. ;-` A strong conservative who wants to conserve as much liberty as he possibly can.
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posted on
01/20/2003 9:52:11 PM PST
by
unspun
(10th Amendment rights! - no wait - not for crimping my style!)
To: Karsus
Easy. Because it is forbidden, just look at teens and beer. Just like the rate of rape is lower in countries that have less restrictive rules on pornograpy and prostitution. We should legalize murder, to reduce the thrill of it all. It would save so many lives.
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posted on
01/20/2003 9:58:12 PM PST
by
unspun
(10th Amendment rights! - no wait - not for crimping my style!)
To: rb22982
If you want the numbers to go up for drugs, release them to the free market system.
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posted on
01/20/2003 9:59:26 PM PST
by
unspun
(10th Amendment rights! - no wait - not for crimping my style!)
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