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U.S. departing the First World?
Washington Times ^ | Thursday, January 23, 2003 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 01/22/2003 10:22:50 PM PST by JohnHuang2

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:00:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

America has turned its back on Americans. Even illegal aliens count higher with the American government than native-born, taxpaying, loyal U.S. citizens, who are regarded by their government as nothing but resources to be exploited.

American taxpayers now are expected to shoulder the burden of paying for university educations for illegal aliens. When U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, Colorado Republican, said recently that illegal aliens should be deported, not given in-state tuition, Karl Rove, the Power Behind the Bush, told Mr. Tancredo never again to darken the steps of the White House.


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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: outsourcing; paulcraigroberts
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To: dirtboy; Southack
You said this was covered in Clinton EOs - that isn't even close

Just an observation dirt, but you seem to want to carry Clinton's water on Kyoto.

121 posted on 07/29/2003 1:21:35 PM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
Just an observation dirt, but you seem to want to carry Clinton's water on Kyoto.

Just an observation, Dane, but you're hardly a reliable authority on truthful posting. If you're chiming in on Southack's side, then I KNOW I'm correct.

122 posted on 07/29/2003 1:23:43 PM PDT by dirtboy (Free Sabertooth!)
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To: dirtboy
"That, however, does not mean that the contractor has to comply with Kyoto, just that their work on the Pentagon installations must meet that."

Yes, that's **precisely** what I'm saying.

Clinton's EO's had private contractors showing Kyoto target goal compliance (in order to win certain federal contracts).

Clinton's EO's had our federal agencies reducing their own energy emissions **as if** Kyoto had been ratified by our Senate.

Yes, that is precisely what I am saying and proving with the links that I provided, among others that are available.

123 posted on 07/29/2003 1:23:44 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Dane
Just an observation dirt, but you seem to want to carry Clinton's water on Kyoto.

And another thing, Dane, it's hardly carrying ANYONE's water to ask that posters substantiate their claims on any given subject, no matter who is involved. I know that's an alien concept, but wrestle with it for awhile and get back to me.

124 posted on 07/29/2003 1:25:11 PM PDT by dirtboy (Free Sabertooth!)
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To: JohnHuang2
Big-Party-Vote-Buying-Deficit-Spending-Border-Ignoring- Bump. PCR gets it right. Your kids and mine will pay. Coming soon to your nearest culture.
126 posted on 07/29/2003 1:31:11 PM PDT by Phaedrus
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To: Howlin
Think it's funny? You can count out my vote, too.


127 posted on 07/29/2003 1:31:49 PM PDT by JoeSchem (Okay, now it works: Knight's Quest, at http://www.geocities.com/engineerzero)
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To: dirtboy
By the way, Yuengling's Black and Tan rocks!
128 posted on 07/29/2003 1:33:00 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
I guess this boils down to semantics:

Clinton's EO's had private contractors showing Kyoto target goal compliance (in order to win certain federal contracts).

And that is not correct language. The companies' work on a given project had to meet certain ENERGY requirements for a given project - but the contractors themselves could spew all the CO2 they wanted into the atmosphere, which is counter to what you claimed: To win bids with federal agencies, companies were being compelled to show how they were in compliance with Kyoto's reduced CO2 requirements, for instance.

Which should have been written:

To win bids with federal agencies, companies were being compelled to show how specific governmental projects were in compliance with Kyoto's reduced CO2 requirements, for instance.

129 posted on 07/29/2003 1:33:08 PM PDT by dirtboy (Free Sabertooth!)
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To: Lazamataz
c#125
130 posted on 07/29/2003 1:33:40 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: dirtboy
Just an observation, Dane, but you're hardly a reliable authority on truthful posting. If you're chiming in on Southack's side, then I KNOW I'm correct

Oh well, all I can say is that I am not surprised that the knee jerk ad hominem side of dirtboy would come out when you are presented with the facts.

131 posted on 07/29/2003 1:34:43 PM PDT by Dane
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To: dirtboy
"Which should have been written:
To win bids with federal agencies, companies were being compelled to show how [their] specific governmental projects were in compliance with Kyoto's reduced CO2 requirements, for instance." - dirtboy

Thanks. That's a much more clear and precise way of stating my claim.

132 posted on 07/29/2003 1:35:24 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Brazen Proposal
2 1/2 hours???? Holy Moly! That's a killer

Yeppurs. From Pine Grove Furnace to Wilmington, DE. Now I'm only commuting a measly hour.

Before this life, I used to work in mid-town Manhattan for 17yrs, in advertising-marketing world, and commuted from Princeton, NJ, every day, and I thought that was hell on earth. Burned out at 39 and came out here to found/open a 20ac garden center and nursery; wildy successful beyond my dreams.

Congrats on your new life. That's beautiful country out there, and there are lots of folks moving up from Baltimore to keep ya busy.

133 posted on 07/29/2003 1:36:46 PM PDT by dirtboy (Free Sabertooth!)
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To: Southack
I can still get my high capacity magazines

At inflated prices, and only for pre-94 design firearms or post-94 design firearms that accept pre-94 design mags.

134 posted on 07/29/2003 1:36:46 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: JoeSchem; Howlin
Think it's funny? You can count out my vote, too.

Have a grand old time working the computers in the DNC basement, Joe.

135 posted on 07/29/2003 1:36:49 PM PDT by Dane
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To: JohnHuang2
It must suck having to share borders.
136 posted on 07/29/2003 1:37:05 PM PDT by armed_in_sydney
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To: Southack
Takes capital.

You a VC guy? I got ideas......

137 posted on 07/29/2003 1:37:32 PM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: Dane
Oh well, all I can say is that I am not surprised that the knee jerk ad hominem side of dirtboy would come out when you are presented with the facts.

Dane, you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the nether regions, but thanks for trying to derail the subject. It is, after all, what you do best.

138 posted on 07/29/2003 1:37:39 PM PDT by dirtboy (Free Sabertooth!)
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To: Southack
By the way, Yuengling's Black and Tan rocks!

It rocks a little too much. Goes down a bit too easy, if ya know what I mean.

139 posted on 07/29/2003 1:39:10 PM PDT by dirtboy (Free Sabertooth!)
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To: dirtboy
Dane, you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the nether regions, but thanks for trying to derail the subject. It is, after all, what you do best

Uh dude, you derailed this thread with your ad hominem reply #122.

140 posted on 07/29/2003 1:40:12 PM PDT by Dane
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