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Mandela: U.S. wants holocaust ^ | January 30, 2003 | CNN

Posted on 01/30/2003 2:14:12 PM PST by Frapster

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:02:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (CNN) -- Former South African president Nelson Mandela has slammed the U.S. stance on Iraq, saying that "one power with a president who has no foresight, who cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust."

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KEYWORDS: apartheid; bush; genocide; holocaust; iraq; jew; judaism; mandella; president; southafrica; war
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Bush is a man of character. His response through his administration is much more reserved than I could have managed. Mandella can go suck eggs.
1 posted on 01/30/2003 2:14:13 PM PST by Frapster
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To: Frapster; Admin Moderator
Please delete this double post. When I first searched on this thread I searched on 'Mandella' which failed for obvious reasons. That'll teach me.
2 posted on 01/30/2003 2:16:03 PM PST by Frapster (eater of gristle, drinker of vanilla coke)
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associated with this story on the CNN page found via the source link. Do you agree with [pinko commie] Mandela about the US?

Do you agree or disagree with Nelson Mandela's assessment of the United States?
Agree Agree votes   29% 9678 votes
Disagree Disagree votes   71% 24199 votes
Total:  33,877 votes

3 posted on 01/30/2003 2:18:49 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Frapster
Mr. Mandela should stick his head where the sun doesn't
shine. He whines about a so-called "holocaust", but turns
a blind eye to his own failing country and all of the
atrocities in South Africa such as (1)The over 1,200
farmers murdered "mysteriously" since ANC rule in 1994
(2)The rapists being allowed to roam-free in SA and
terrorizing the women and children there (3)The barrage
of car hijackings that go on without police action since
the police are as corrupt as the ANC.

Besides, where is he when his comrade Mugabe the murderer
plunders his own country of Zimbabwe and performs ethnic
cleansing on the many whites and the white farmers who
kept the country going after Ian Smith was forced out of
his leadership position despite Rhodesia having one the
best examples of a free-market country and a smooth

Mr. Mandela is an idiot and a communist in drag and fooled
too many people for too long in his country and even here
in the United States and it is high time that people see
what a person he really is. He is definitely not the
patron saint that people like Oprah Winfrey and the
Hollywood left-wingers made him out to be for a long time.
4 posted on 01/30/2003 2:27:41 PM PST by jragan2001
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To: jragan2001
Excerpts from a Media Research article:

"The former long-time political prisoner will address Congress," Dan Rather announced when Mandela arrived. TV reporters called Mandela a political prisoner eight times, but never referred to Mandela as a saboteur or terrorist, even though Amnesty International declared in 1985 that "Mandela had participated in planning acts of sabotage and inciting violence, so that he could no longer fulfill the criteria for the classification of political prisoners."

Network reporters did report Mandela's refusal to renounce violence in 14 stories, but most referred to it only in the context of fighting apartheid, not in the context of the ANC's involvement in black-on-black violence or the indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians.

Arafat, Castro, Qaddafi. Without Ted Koppel's June 21 "town meeting" with Mandela, the tour might have escaped controversy completely. Questioners asked Mandela to explain his praise for Yasser Arafat, Fidel Castro and Moammar Qaddafi. The questions were prompted by Mandela hailing Castro's Cuba in May: "There's one thing where that country stands out head and shoulders above the rest. That is in its love for human rights and liberty." A week later in Libya, he praised Qaddaf's "commitment to the fight for peace and human rights in the world." These statements, which appeared in The New Republic, were never quoted on the networks when he said them, or when he visited here.

5 posted on 01/30/2003 2:46:24 PM PST by maranatha
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What if we promise not to use the ANC's favorite method of dealing with the non-compliant..necklacing with burning tires. Would Mandella agree we were good guys then?
7 posted on 01/30/2003 2:54:48 PM PST by Voltage
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To: Frapster
Next time Mandela comes around we can show him a little multicultural sensitivity.

Instead of peacefully issuing dissenting opinion (a trait of neo-imperialist American confrontation), we might embrace the noble South African tradition of 'necklacing' that Nelson and his wife enjoy so much.

Everyone check the garage for old spares.

8 posted on 01/30/2003 2:56:28 PM PST by Monti Cello
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To: hailthechimp
He is an exact replica of Hitler

You'd better get the hell out then -- I'm sure W has a boxcar and a syringe with your name on it.

9 posted on 01/30/2003 3:00:00 PM PST by Monti Cello
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To: hailthechimp
Fine. It's your opinion, but if you and the other leftists
think so much of this communist murder and terrorist, why
don't you take your behind over to Communist South Africa
and enjoy the so-called "Rainbow" paradise and your eyes
will be finally opened to what really is going on over
there. What the African National Congress has done since
1994 makes Apartheid pale in comparison.

You need to go to Jan Lamprecht's "African Crisis" website to open your eyes to the reality of
what the butchers of the ANC are doing to South Africa
and what the murdere Mugabe is doing to Zimbabwe and quit
relying and Dan Blather and the rest of the liberal media
put out. Get your damn head out of the sand!!!!!
10 posted on 01/30/2003 3:00:05 PM PST by jragan2001
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To: Voltage
great beat me to the punch!
11 posted on 01/30/2003 3:00:46 PM PST by Monti Cello
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To: Frapster
Mandela said "if there is a country that has committed unspeakable atrocities in the world, it is the United States of America."

One of those atrocities was to convince SA to drop its nuke bomb program. Another was to spring Nelson from jail so he could be President of SA. Another is to let Nelson outdoors without adult supervision.

12 posted on 01/30/2003 3:00:54 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: hailthechimp
Hahaha! You stupid commie b*stards are about to be tossed in the dustbin of history!!

LOLOL!! You poor dumb b*stard.

You have not one single effing clue, and I love it.

I'm feeling vindictive today. ;^)
13 posted on 01/30/2003 3:00:57 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Frapster
Mandela and his ilk are given to believing and ultimately trusting Saddam. Thus they believe he will be contained by world opinion and will not lie to the world. Mandela ought to know better, since he's lied at times to the world. Sadly, the societal engineers resort to trusting liars and murderers when they actually KNOW they're lying and deadly. The average person cannot see the truth of it, so they agree with the 'name brand' liberal over an honest conservative, imperilling themselves by whom they trust.
14 posted on 01/30/2003 3:09:51 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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"They do not care. Is it because the secretary-general of the United Nations is now a black man?" said Mandela. Nelson Mandela is a racist, race-baiting pig.
15 posted on 01/30/2003 3:11:30 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: Frapster
"one power with a president who has no foresight, who cannot think properly, is now wanting to plunge the world into a holocaust."


16 posted on 01/30/2003 4:08:00 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Frapster
I've done that. (^; Until the Admin. Mod. arrives, here it is.... over 60 angry posts.
17 posted on 01/30/2003 4:27:03 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl (289 Million Americans Avoid Peace Rallies. Press cover-up bigger than Watergate!)
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To: Frapster
Mandela just made my enemies list BIG-TIME! That commie should never be able to set foot in this country again.
18 posted on 01/30/2003 4:40:00 PM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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The communist orientation of the ANC is beyond dispute. There are many confirmations of this fact found in various publications, as well as statements by communists themselves:

"Indeed, there are close ties between the Soviet Union and the South African Communist Party, which, to a great extent, controls the ANC. Such influence began as early as 1917, the USSR now being very active in 10 Southern African nations: Namibia, Angola, Bothswana, Zimbabwe, Malawi, Lesotho, Swaziland, Mozambique, Zambia, and South Africa.

Soviet activity, of course, often assumes covert forms. The Congress of South African Trade Unions (COSATU), for instance, formed near the end of 1985, actually is a new front for the ANC...." (South Africa and the Marxist Movement: A Study in Double Standards, Panos Bardis, p. 101)

WorldNetDaily has likewise demonstrated that the ANC is a communist organization: "The misdeeds of the Soviet-sponsored African National Congress have been well chronicled. It operated under and parallel to the South African Communist Party, established in the early 1920s as the first Communist Party outside the Soviet Union." ("Atrocities of the Marxist ANC: 'Truth' commission reveals Mandela's bloody path to power," Anthony LoBaido, July 3, 2000)

In 1944, Nelson Mandela became a member of the African National Congress (ANC). In 1952, he was confined to the Magisterial District of Johannesburg, South Africa; in 1956 he was charged with high treason, tried, and acquitted. In 1961, when the ANC was outlawed, Mandela evaded arrest but was jailed in November 1962 for five years.

Mandela and his fellow revolutionaries were caught red-handed with: 48,000 Soviet-made anti-personnel mines, 210,000 hand grenades, and documents showing proof of involvement of Moscow, Algeria, China, Czechoslovakia, and East Germany in financing and backing a communist revolution in South Africa. Mandela admitted his guilt, was convicted after a free and fair trial, and was sentenced to life imprisonment on June 11, 1964. He was charged under the Suppression of Communism Act and was tried between October 1963 and June 1964. During this trial, a 62-page document in Mandela's own handwriting entitled How To Be a Good Communist was offered as evidence. This was the famous Rivonia Trial, named after Johannesburg’s fashionable suburb in the north, where in June and July 1963 the South African authorities found huge quantities of equipment designed for civil war.

At that time, Mandela was incarcerated not because he held unpopular political opinions (communist), but because he was convicted of 23 acts of sabotage and of conspiring to overthrow the government. The South African President P. Botha offered him freedom if he would renounce violence, but Mandela always refused the offer.

One of the most insightful descriptions of Mandela's political views is found in The Richmond News-Leader of May 2, 1986:

"The story goes that South Africa's jailed Nelson Mandela, and his wife Winnie are just your standard garden-variety moderates who want freedom for their country. But consider this. Moscow's communist party newspaper Pravda recently carried a story about Winnie Mandela, quoting her as saying: 'The Soviet Union is the torch-bearer for all our hopes and aspirations. We have learned and are continuing to learn resilience and bravery from the Soviet people, who are an example to us in our struggle for freedom, a model of loyalty to internationalist duty. In Soviet Russia, genuine power of the people has been transformed from dreams into reality. The land of the Soviets is the genuine friend and ally of all peoples fighting against the dark forces of world reaction.'

"This is not the swoony stuff of a dizzy moderate, but the disciplined ideologuese of a Soviet stooge."

Furthermore, Winnie Mandela's true colors and those of the ANC were revealed at Munsieville, on April 13, 1986, when she said: "With our boxes of matches and our necklaces ["necklacing:" a torture in which a gasoline-filled tire is placed around the neck of a victim and set ablaze], we shall liberate this country." (South African Digest, April 18, 1986, p. 324)

South Africa, meanwhile, given over by F.W. de Klerk and Pik Botha to the Marxist African National Congress, has turned into a cauldron of murder, rape, AIDS and anarchy.

Nelson Mandela has long had strong ties to the MPLA, as the Marxist Angolan regime has provided Mandela's African National Congress with a haven for its terrorist training bases.

In fact, upon his release from prison, Mandela gave a speech in Angola's capital of Luanda on May 10, 1990, in which he said: "The ANC brought young people into Angola to receive military training. This was indeed a major turning point in the history of South Africa. The progress we have made in our armed struggle is owed largely to Angola.

Angola allowed us not only to receive arms from friendly countries abroad, but also allowed us to establish camp and gave us freedom to train our soldiers." ("A TRAGEDY IN ANGOLA: DeBeers, Clinton's executive order seeks to destroy anti-communist rebel movement," WorldNetDaily, January 30, 2000)

Mandela has committed numerous terrorist acts. Mandela ordered the infamous Church Street bombing, which went off at rush hour to maximize casualties of Afrikaner women, children and babies. He also told the black youth of South Africa at one point to "burn down" their schools. Mandela recently traveled to Libya and presented Qaddafi with South Africa's highest military medal.

His support of other communist dictatorships is blatant. In July 1991, Nelson and Winnie Mandela were in Cuba to celebrate the communist revolution with Fidel Castro.

As Winnie referred to Cuba "as our second home," Nelson Mandela addressed the ceremony saying,
"Long live the Cuban Revolution. Long live comrade Fidel Castro... Cuban internationalists have done so much for African independence, freedom, and justice. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of a vicious imperialist campaign designed to destroy the advances of the Cuban revolution. We too want to control our destiny... There can be no surrender. It is a case of freedom or death. The Cuban revolution has been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people."

19 posted on 01/30/2003 4:47:23 PM PST by Dqban22
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To: driftless
Mandela shouldn't have been locked up in prison for 18 years. He should've gotten the death penalty.
20 posted on 01/31/2003 2:53:31 AM PST by billclintonwillrotinhell
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