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Oregon Libertarian Party helps defeat $725 million tax increase
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Posted on 01/31/2003 6:56:38 PM PST by freepatriot32

Oregon voters have rejected a temporary income tax surcharge -- handing a major victory to the state Libertarian Party, which led the fight against the proposed tax hike.

On January 28, in a statewide referendum, voters rejected Measure 28 by 55%-45%. Had it passed, the initiative would have raised taxes by $725 million over three years.

"We are very happy tonight," said Oregon LP Executive Director Richard Burke, as the magnitude of the anti-tax vote became clear. "We were very surprised by the margin."

Just eight days earlier, a statewide poll by Portland's KATU Television had said the vote was too close to call.

But on the evening of the vote, about 40 Libertarians at the state LP headquarters in Beaverton applauded and cheered as TV news reports showed Measure 28 decisively falling behind.

About 65% of the state's registered voters cast a ballot for or against Measure 28 -- one of the largest turnouts for a special election in state history, reported the Salem Statesman Journal.

Measure 28 would have increased the state's top personal tax rate from 9% to 9.5%, and the top corporate tax rate from 6.6% to 6.93% in 2002, 2003, and 2004. It would have cost the average Oregon taxpayer about $114 per year.

The state legislature had voted to put the measure on the ballot in September.

To fight Measure 28, the Oregon LP had launched a vigorous "Turn The Tide" campaign, visiting 27 cities and towns in 17 days to offer arguments against the tax hike.

A January 6 press conference in Salem to kick off the effort generated statewide media attention.

The Libertarians made a simple -- and apparently compelling – argument against the proposed tax increase.

"We've got a state government that is too big," said Tom Cox, the Oregon LP's 2002 gubernatorial candidate. "Voters [should] stand up and demand fiscal responsibility."

Joining the Oregon LP in the campaign against Measure 28 were the Taxpayer Association of Oregon and Citizens for a Sound Economy.

The Oregon Republican Party never took a formal stand on the measure.

A coalition of public-employee unions -- including the Oregon School Employees Association and the Oregon AFL-CIO -- campaigned for Measure 28, using radio ads, telephone calls, e-mails, fliers, and public meetings to build support for the tax hike.

A number of newspapers editorialized in favor of the tax increase, and some even reported that two people had committed suicide when they received notice that their state-funded psychiatric and health benefits might be cut.

Measure 28 was also endorsed by outgoing Governor John Kitzhaber, who said it was "just common sense."

In all, the pro-Measure 28 groups spent $490,000, while Libertarians and other anti-tax groups spent about $30,000.

When Measure 28's defeat became clear, state and local government employees threatened "drastic" cuts in services.

For example, the Multnomah County sheriff said he would release 114 prisoners because he couldn't afford to keep them locked up. Portland Public Schools said it would trim 24 days off its school year. The Oregon State Police said it would lay off 277 officers. The state court system said it would go to a four-day work week, and stop processing misdemeanor crimes like shoplifting. And the state legislature said it would eliminate medical benefits for 8,000 elderly and disabled people.

But Burke said such threats were designed to chastise voters for rejecting the tax increase.

"If they do this, it is only to punish the people for not voting for taxes," he said. "These people are using scare tactics to extort money. We don't think the cuts will happen the way [they've] been threatened."

During its "No on Measure 28" campaign, the state LP had said the state government could avert the so-called crisis by going on a "fiscal diet," and could cut the budget by reforming the state workers' pension system, laying off 2,000 middle-level bureaucrats, and eliminating the Oregon Liquor Control Commission.

The defeat of Measure 28 is "an opportunity for the legislature to finally make the budget decisions they should have made years ago," said Burke.

The Salem Statesman Journal had said if Measure 28 passed, it would have sent "political ripples across the nation" -- and possibly inspired politicians in other states to raise taxes, too.

The newspaper quoted initiative expert Dane Waters, who said, "I really think this will be a trendsetter. If the voters do adopt this in Oregon, I think that will embolden lawmakers in other states."

But now, with the defeat of Measure 28, the message has been sent that Oregon and other states "can reverse the course of government growth," said Burke.


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The Oregon Republican Party never took a formal stand on the measure.

Why the hell not ?

1 posted on 01/31/2003 6:56:38 PM PST by freepatriot32
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To: freepatriot32
Because the Oregon Republican Party leadership is a bunch of Country Club RINO's.

The Hatrack and Packrat legacy is still very strong, especially on the wet side of the state.

2 posted on 01/31/2003 7:04:03 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: freepatriot32
Didn't want to be on the same side of an issue as those insane Libertarians, who take the Founding Fathers literally.
3 posted on 01/31/2003 7:05:59 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: freepatriot32
The Libertarian Party taking credit for the result is a bit rich.
4 posted on 01/31/2003 7:06:09 PM PST by Torie
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To: freepatriot32
For the same reason the GOP says nothing about the current admin. spending money like a drunken sailor I guess.

OR

Maybe the Oregon RP was just taking its leeds from the Texas RP who seem to be in a race to see who can raise what tax/fee the most.
5 posted on 01/31/2003 7:06:35 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD))
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To: Torie
Why? The GOP would not state a position on the issue.

"The Oregon Republican Party never took a formal stand on the measure."
6 posted on 01/31/2003 7:07:49 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD))
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To: Karsus
I don't think most voters care what the Libertarian Party thinks. And voters don't need GOP leaders to instruct them when it comes to tax increases. They are perfectly capable to decide the merits on their own.
7 posted on 01/31/2003 7:09:13 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
Of course, the mighty dope smoker party is taking credit. Why, without their vast horde of stoners, the referendum might have only been defeated 46% to 54%.
8 posted on 01/31/2003 7:09:46 PM PST by LenS
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To: Torie
I don't think most voters care what the Libertarian Party thinks. And voters don't need GOP leaders to instruct them when it comes to tax increases. They are perfectly capable to decide the merits on their own.

Yeah, I think that the libertarian party is taking a little more credit here than it is due. Yes, they fought the tax increase. Yes, the party supporters and membership spoke out against the tax. But so did many other non-libertarian voters. So, yes, the party helped, but it wasn't the deciding force. Common sense was.

9 posted on 01/31/2003 7:17:04 PM PST by meyer
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To: LenS
Of course, the mighty dope smoker party is taking credit. Why, without their vast horde of stoners, the referendum might have only been defeated 46% to 54%.

Eight posts and someone already is pulling out the "dope card"?

10 posted on 01/31/2003 7:18:16 PM PST by meyer
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To: Valpal1
Politicians: they're all a bunch of limousine liberals, Cadillac conservatives and silk stocking socialists.
11 posted on 01/31/2003 7:19:45 PM PST by BrucefromMtVernon
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Had it passed, the initiative would have raised taxes by $725 million over three years.

If one is to believe the flame wars, I would presuppose that Libertarians took an alternative stand on the tax hike; pledged commitment to raising that amount of money by "adding a surcharge" on all pot sold *for one year*.    </sarcasm off >    FReegards!
12 posted on 01/31/2003 7:20:31 PM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: Torie
You forget that quite a few of the GOP 'leaders' are OK with tax increases. Just look at Texas and the mad race in the GOP to see who can sugget the most taxes/fees to raise/apply to new things. One can also look to DC to see that spending reductions are not important to the GOP any more.
13 posted on 01/31/2003 7:22:38 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD))
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To: freepatriot32
Does this mean another state in the union will have to learn to live within budget?
14 posted on 01/31/2003 7:24:48 PM PST by AD from SpringBay
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To: Torie
No kidding. What a joke.
15 posted on 01/31/2003 7:28:03 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: AD from SpringBay
Why? The national goverment isn't even trying to live within a budget, why should the states?
16 posted on 01/31/2003 7:30:11 PM PST by Karsus (TrueFacts=GOOD, GoodFacts=BAD))
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To: freepatriot32
Oregon LP had launched a vigorous "Turn The Tide" campaign, visiting 27 cities and towns in 17 days to offer arguments against the tax hike.

Notice they don't mention any dollars spent. I didn't see a single add by them in paper, TV, etc. They are taking credit when it's not deserved.

17 posted on 01/31/2003 7:31:56 PM PST by aimhigh
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Temporary...bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaaaa! Temporary...he-he-he-heeeeeeee. Riiiight...three years or less they'd be pushing for a continuation of the tax and demonize those "tax cuts for the rich" for trying to cut those "vital" programs.

45% fiscally irresponsible yahoos still with their collective heads up their asses.

$114 less for those vital services, in which they'd have to squawk to the government for more services. "Wa-wa-wa I need 'free' toddler care."

Cowards.

A.K.A., the usual suspects with their sob stories and scare tactics.

Gasp! Puke! Big whoop!

Give us more money or we'll release these prisoners. What a puke!

Yada yada yada.

18 posted on 01/31/2003 7:36:08 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Torie
They put their money where their mouth is and helped pay for the ad campain and held "town meetings" to rebut the crap the papers and OPB and other media where spewing.

You couldn't get squat from the ORP (and I'm a precinct comittee rep in OR).

It was Repub leadership in the legislature that sent this turkey to the voters because they didn't have the cajones to fight against the dems over it.

This last election may stiffen their spines a little, (God, I hope, please!!!!)
19 posted on 01/31/2003 7:38:00 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: Karsus
The national goverment isn't even trying to live within a budget, why should the states?

Just wishful thinking, I guess.
20 posted on 01/31/2003 7:40:50 PM PST by AD from SpringBay
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To: CounterCounterCulture
"45% fiscally irresponsible yahoos" is actually the " coalition of public-employee unions".

If I could count all the times I was told that if we don't pass this measure all the jobs in our county will dry up because the state is our largest employer I'd be richer than Bill Gates.

How they can never get a clue that if everyone is sucking the gov't teat, then no one is actually producing taxable wealth is beyond me.

Oh, I remember, we'll pass a sales tax too and the tourists to pay all the taxes.

I was so relieved this failed, I was convinced by the media it was passing.
21 posted on 01/31/2003 7:47:26 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: Valpal1
The old hotel tax trick. Go ahead cities, pass those hotel taxes, for they only affect all those foreigners (out-of-towners). Then when I want to travel, I hit all those hotel taxes other cities passed even though I only passed that "benign" hotel tax in my city. Sucker!
22 posted on 01/31/2003 8:00:06 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: Torie
"I don't think most voters care what the Libertarian Party thinks."

You might be correct. However, The Libertarians were on the front lines of this battle in Oregon. The Republicans (Mostly RINOs)had their chance to lead the way...but as usual...they didn't. If the Libertarians gain notoriety for their work...then more power to them! Maybe most voters haven't cared what the L.P. thinks up til now....but I damned sure bet voters are starting to take notice after this great victory in Oregon.

And so where were the Republicans....hhhmmmmm??

23 posted on 01/31/2003 8:00:48 PM PST by hove
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To: freepatriot32; Delphinium; AuntB; GrandmaC; blackie
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1 posted on 10/16/2002 11:50 PM EDT by Mudboy Slim

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24 posted on 01/31/2003 8:01:19 PM PST by Mudboy Slim ("Yeah, I pretty much listen to Limbaugh 25-30 hours per week...and I concentrate" MUD)
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To: Karsus
The fact that the Republican party didn't take a stand probably helped defeat the tax increase. A lot of Dems will vote against anything the GOP is for. And you know Republicans voters are going to vote against a tax increase regardless of what some state party committee does.

Oregon already has high income taxes. Its just common sense you wouldn't want to increase them in a weak economy(or any other time really).
25 posted on 01/31/2003 8:04:24 PM PST by MarkM
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To: Karsus
The states can't print money, only the feds can.
27 posted on 01/31/2003 8:08:49 PM PST by Crusader21stCentury
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To: LenS
"Of course, the mighty dope smoker party is taking credit. Why, without their vast horde of stoners, the referendum might have only been defeated 46% to 54%.

Is that the best you can do? Very weak. I guess it must hurt when your most hated Libertarians actually do something conservative. Unlike the Republicans (RINOS) who talk a good story...but come up lame. Those "dope smokers" just led the fight to slow the cancerous tumor that is government. That sounds like true conservatism in action! You better get used to it....and start sharing the love.

28 posted on 01/31/2003 8:09:38 PM PST by hove
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To: meyer
So, yes, the party helped, but it wasn't the deciding force. Common sense was.

The headline says "helps."

29 posted on 01/31/2003 8:12:04 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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To: freepatriot32
ARGUMENT IN OPPOSITION (Measure 28)
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot help the wage-earner by pulling down the wage-payer.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by encouraging class hatred.
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot keep out of trouble by spending more than you earn.
You cannot build character and courage by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.

"Every expansion or increase in the size or purpose of government places an additional strain on the limited resources of its citizens. Excessive taxation adversely affects the State's economy, the cost of doing business, the ability to create jobs, and increases the cost to consumers...We support the reduction of all taxes to a level needed only to maintain minimum government that can protect life, liberty, and property."
Oregon Republican Party Platform, amended July 2002

(This information furnished by Perry Atkinson, Chairman, Oregon Republican Party.)
http://www.sos.state.or.us/elections/jan282003/guide/m28opp.htm
As of Jan. 14, 2003, there were 4,440 registered Republicans in Crook County, along with 3,601 Democrats, 1,872 non-affiliated voters, 260 voters belonging to independent or "other" parties, 88 Libertarians (lol), 10 Pacific Green Party members, and seven voters belonging to the Constitutional Party.

30 posted on 01/31/2003 8:20:36 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Amen!
31 posted on 01/31/2003 8:21:02 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Torie
actually I live here,
I am a republican.

I am active...

and my party is not.

the candidate for governor here kevin mannix did not admit he was against any increase till just before the election when lars larson and the libertarians (strange bedfellows) put kevin's feet in the fire...

HAD kevin come out jumping and screaming NO NEW TAXES... he would have won the libertarian vote... as it was, he was too stealthy with the teacher's unions. He is a lawyer.

I gotta hand it to the libertarians for their superb efforts here... they were the primary stirrers of the hornets nest that is "tax increase" here in WESTERN oregon.

Credit where credit is due.
Had we elected mannix as governor... I think Mannix would have pushed the tax increase... and though he came out as personally opposed when lars larson pushed him... he would not rule out some kind of tax increase from the get go...

that is the real reason I think Kevin lost... not anti tax anti big gov enough... we already spend more than almost any state per student for education... and he would not rule out increases in the education budget to MY satisfaction.

there are such things as tax and spend statists, who run as republican.

the tax increase failing... was truly righteous.
thank you libertarians and over taxed democrats who voted against big spending increases and taxes....
32 posted on 01/31/2003 8:37:38 PM PST by recalcitrant
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To: Valpal1
Damned straight.

We need new leadership here in Oregon for the Republican party. Anti spend, anti tax, anti intrusive and big gov CONSERVATIVES.

Where was mannix on this all month last month?
I have no damned idea.
33 posted on 01/31/2003 8:41:49 PM PST by recalcitrant
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To: LenS
"Of course, the mighty dope smoker party is taking credit. Why, without their vast horde of stoners, the referendum might have only been defeated 46% to 54%."

Do you have a URL for this?

34 posted on 01/31/2003 8:45:43 PM PST by Voice in your head (Nuke Baghdad)
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To: William Creel
Yes we voted down the tax increase as a message that the state gov. needs to learn how to spend their, er OUR money.. Well let me tell you all, they have punished us by letting about 200 prisoners loose, firing cops and shortening the school year.. BUT We all got new toilets! YES the state paid for all apartments to get new Enviromentally safe toilets! Chalk it up to hippie priorities!
36 posted on 01/31/2003 9:28:33 PM PST by theiamons
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To: recalcitrant
I met Kevin Manix at Hannity's book signing... He could have won if he was able to get as dirty as the dems, but he wasnt... 16 years we have had dem govs... And people wondered why we are struggling... Manix was our last hope to stand up and let his voice be heard.. But he didnt.. Where do we go from here?
37 posted on 01/31/2003 9:38:19 PM PST by theiamons
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To: theiamons
So - what are some other Libertarian platform positions (ex. trade with China?)
38 posted on 01/31/2003 9:42:59 PM PST by applemac_g4
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To: freepatriot32
You think that Oregon Repubs are bad? Just look at some of the Utah pubbies. The Utah legislature just voted themselves a 20% pay raise and guarantee that there will be a tax increase for the rest of us. While Utah pubbies have their backs turned, conservative voters here will turn on them soon.
39 posted on 01/31/2003 9:48:39 PM PST by For the Unborn
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To: For the Unborn
Oregon Reps. are like indies... Hell when our only Rep. senator ran again he claimed himself as an indie and opposed Bushed.. he won by a landslide....
40 posted on 01/31/2003 9:58:22 PM PST by theiamons
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To: For the Unborn
Maine:
- Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe
- Highest Tax Burden in the country, 6 years running
- Last Republican Governor was... a long time ago.
- Soon to be renamed New Somalia

I think they've got it the worst. I don't live there, but I feel their pain. To be a Republican is to be unheard.
41 posted on 01/31/2003 10:00:13 PM PST by Voice in your head (Nuke Baghdad)
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To: hove
Is that the best you can do? Very weak. I guess it must hurt when your most hated Libertarians actually do something conservative. Unlike the Republicans (RINOS) who talk a good story...but come up lame.

I see this is the kind of attitude that is going to reduce the left to rubbles.... not.

The LP is only there to bash the GOP, split the right, "solving" the two party system by making it a 3 party system, not competing amongst conservatives within the GOP but dictating their own hypocritical terms within their fascist party lines, and helping the Dims.

42 posted on 02/01/2003 4:22:55 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: meyer; LenS
Eight posts and someone already is pulling out the "dope card"?

The dope card? That is rich! It's the LP who base their party lines in dope pandering. THe dope card! what a bunch of hypocrits.

But that is actualy weak, because the LP is pro-abortion and against the war on terror, Iraq and communism... they love China... and democrats and Clinton having sex privately in our WhiteHouse.

Goody.

Moreover the LP is not about truth, it is about power. The LP wants power, period. I mean, the megalomania of "founding" a party that adds nothing, but absolutely nothing, to the debate and the issues.

43 posted on 02/01/2003 4:29:17 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: Torie
I know Oregon is full of anarchists but I seriously doubt whether 2% of the people who voted against this even know who the Vichy Libertarian party even is.
44 posted on 02/01/2003 4:33:08 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: hove
The Republicans (Mostly RINOs)....And so where were the Republicans....hhhmmmmm??

Oh, that is rich. LP politicians never were kicked out of the GOP for their ideas or for bringing debate. Nope, the LP had to have the power of the party, while deriding hypocriticaly the power of the other parties.

THe LP is not about truth and competition in truth, it is about power.

So, if there are RINO republicans, why aren'T there Libertarian republicans in name only? WHere are the "Libertarians"? Except to split the right and help the left win, for 5 minute of attention and party fame?

THe LP does not care about the truth or the AMerican people, but only about their party.

45 posted on 02/01/2003 4:35:04 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: freepatriot32
The Oregon Republican Party never took a formal stand on the measure.

Why the hell not ?

Because they did not want to participate in the Libertarian Party lead Jerry SPringer show.

46 posted on 02/01/2003 4:37:35 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: freepatriot32
The Oregon Republican Party never took a formal stand on the measure.

Why the hell not ?

Because they did not want to participate in the Libertarian Party lead Jerry SPringer show.

You know, the dope pandering and screaming, the GOP bashing, and all that other nice stuff the LP brings about, all for power and recognition, none for truth.

47 posted on 02/01/2003 4:38:37 AM PST by JudgemAll
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To: JudgemAll
the LP is pro-abortion and against the war on terror, Iraq and communism

Oregon Libertarian Party: "Hey, we helped defeat the tax increase! NOW will you join our anti-war protest?"

48 posted on 02/01/2003 4:41:07 AM PST by pariah (Uh, don't count on it...)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
The headline says "helps."

Yes, and I was reiterating that for those that misread it. It seems that the mere mention of the libertarian party brings out "foaming-at-the-mouth" responses that the party is insignificant and shouldn't exist.

I'd argue that the party is significant and should exist. If nothing else, it serves as a check and balance against government largess as often prescribed by the democrats and sometimes prescribed by the Republicans. This is despite the notion that some have that the libertarian party is about drugs and only drugs.

This case of the tax vote shows exactly where each party put their efforts. The liberals supported the tax, the conservatives kept quiet, and the libertarian party, despite its small size, spoke out against it. Checks and balances.

49 posted on 02/01/2003 4:41:08 AM PST by meyer
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To: GirlShortstop
Had it passed, the initiative would have raised taxes by $725 million over three years.

If one is to believe the flame wars, I would presuppose that Libertarians took an alternative stand on the tax hike; pledged commitment to raising that amount of money by "adding a surcharge" on all pot sold *for one year*. </sarcasm off > FReegards!

Nope, the LP is only interested about its party. If it is to lower taxes, they go by the same leftist mantra: Donate us money to save you money.

Of course, meanwhile they split the right, help the left pass and the treachery goes on unabated, because the LP competes for votes, not for conservatism or truth within the right.

50 posted on 02/01/2003 4:44:19 AM PST by JudgemAll
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