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1 posted on 02/03/2003 4:40:53 AM PST by rdb3
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To: rdb3
Blacks don't vote Republican. Is this a problem? No!

If the likes of Jessie J., Louis F., and Big Al S. were part of the Republican party, now, that would be a problem!

2 posted on 02/03/2003 4:48:25 AM PST by FLAUSA
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Whats do you call a politician that whores himself to a constituancy despite his princiapls?

A Democrat

No need to chase the Black vote...it will be driven to us. Stick to the principals and keep including [rightfully] blacks as part of our party [Powell, Rice et al]

Liberals are such idiots.

4 posted on 02/03/2003 4:53:11 AM PST by antaresequity
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Gosh, we make zero effort to get our message out, we get very few votes. Obviously, it's not the GOP's fault </sarcasm>
5 posted on 02/03/2003 4:56:49 AM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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The “indiscretion” of Trent Lott reflected a problem that has long plagued the Republican Party: its consistent failure to court Black votes and to attract Black candidates.

Horse Dung!

They have sold their freedom to the d's, for a handful of foodstamps, a welfare check, and a few gallons of free home heating oil.

The few willing to stand on their own two feet and be self reliant are Republicans now and will continue to be such, but as for the masses, they follow the d's and they deserve the d's.

7 posted on 02/03/2003 5:01:31 AM PST by 2timothy3.16
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To: rdb3
The Republican's need to modernizze their image
something like the "Republican Part'ay"
The Pubbies need affirmative action ...a lowering of standards perhaps...then everybody could find something...appeal to everyone & all lifestyles... (except white males...gotta have a foil)
Oh wait a minute there already is a party like that....
8 posted on 02/03/2003 5:05:41 AM PST by joesnuffy
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Okay, this might not be the most serious-minded response, but I just happened to read this on www.iconoclast.ca recently. Hope it is enjoyed in the spirit of humor with which it is posted.

DEMOCRATS CONTINUE ATTACK ON SYSTEMIC REPUBLICAN RACISM; CHARGE BARNEY BUSH WITH ANTI-MUSLIM BIAS Washington, D.C. -- Yesterday, veteran Democratic Senator Robert Byrd continued the Democratic attack on what Democrats insist is systemic racism in the Republican Party. Senator Byrd, returning from his weekly KKK meeting, charged that President Bush's popular pet, Barney, slandered American Muslims when Barney playfully dropped his toy pork chop on the foot of a visiting Saudi dignitary.

"This was a symbolic slap in the face of devout Muslims everywhere," opined Byrd. "The President's dog should have known better. I mean, everyone knows that those sand nigrahs consider pork to be a forbidden food. Just because those backward A-rab clowns choose to wear dish rags around their heads doesn't mean that the President's dog can insult their religious beliefs at will, even if they are pretty ridiculous. It's just another case of Republican racism rearing its ugly head in the most inappropriate venue!"

Byrd said he had complained to both Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice about Barnie's insensitive behavior. "But what can you expect from those two uppity coloreds," he complained. "What do they know about diplomatic protocol?" He said he would have complained directly to President Bush, but "he's always too busy to talk with me because he's on the phone with some Jew-boy economic advisor or other. But now it's time for the President to finally crack down on the constant stream of racism emanating from the Republican Party."

From The Iconoclast

10 posted on 02/03/2003 5:10:17 AM PST by alwaysconservative (Republicans are less racist than Dems)
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Innis: Frankly speaking, what Trent said was relatively harmless. An irrelevant tribute to a 100 year old Senator whose own opinion of race has changed dramatically from 1948.

Many conservative commentators and FReepers choose to conveniently ignore that Lott made those same remarks on several occassions in public and very likely several more times in private (and not just at a centagenerian's birthday party). People are free to defend Lott, but don't hide from the facts.

11 posted on 02/03/2003 5:12:42 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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Condi! ping...
12 posted on 02/03/2003 5:14:30 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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Condi! ping...
13 posted on 02/03/2003 5:14:31 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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Lott is not the only politician in Congress who represents and shares the views of constituents we would call white supremacists, white racists, or white nationalists. I prefer to know the identities of my enemies and their friends. Individuals in positions of power can do far more damage operating underground with hidden agendas than they can do in open forums where alliances are known. I think Lott became a scapegoat for the sins of the Party.

Lott will serve out his time in the Rules Committee and not stand for re-election in four years. He won't be operating underground for very long.

The Party has no sins. Individuals who win or run for election from our Party are not our Party. The Party is bigger than Trent Lott or David Duke.

16 posted on 02/03/2003 5:22:58 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative
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The GOP should not change anything "to court black voters." It should target the GOP message to the black community so that they can begin to understand that the party stands for what's right to all people, not specific groups. The targeting needs to be done to counter the lib lies about the GOP. The GOP tide lifts all boats equally, the Dim party has multiple "tides" and the one for blacks is always ebbing while constanly being told its on the rise. And still 90% mindlessly vote democrap.
17 posted on 02/03/2003 5:24:03 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (To BOLDLY go . . . (no whimpy libs allowed).)
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This is a great series of symposiums. Thanks. Bumped for a later read.
18 posted on 02/03/2003 5:34:50 AM PST by Bryan
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Failure to get our message out is not just a problem with blacks, but with most groups. One of the parties here stated that "actions speak louder than words". It seems this is NOT true when it comes to politics in this nation.

Republicans were the ones who passed both civil rights and voting rights for blacks. Democrats get the credit. Democrats got us into Vietnam, and a Republican got us out. Democrats get the credit for getting us out and Republicans the blame for getting us in. Democrats passed a huge tax hike on seniors, but we are told over and over again that Republicans will take away SSI.

Our message gets out only with difficulty, and the RNC is no help. I'd re-join the RNC if they took to the media to destroy the lies about Conservatives, but they don't. They seem to use all their money to solicit more money; a bad charity.

However, the DNC doesn't need to spend a dime to get their message out. The main-line press spews their lies over and over for free, without any critical analisys of the lie. This is where our problem is.


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19 posted on 02/03/2003 5:51:32 AM PST by logic101.net
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20 posted on 02/03/2003 6:00:41 AM PST by Cacique (An armed people, are a FREE people!! Castrate fags, perverts and pedophiles. We need more sopranos.)
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Black congregation embraces GOP message.
24 posted on 02/03/2003 6:12:27 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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I think Republicans need to stop associating themselves with the party of Lincoln and start promoting the association that we are the party of the '64 civil rights act. And associate the Demos with the Klan. How many times do we hear black liberals excoriated for associating with known Klan members?

It sounds like these people are suggesting, and I haven't read the whole thing at this point, that we make our points on uban black radio. We need to tell them not only what we stand for but how that will effect them on a personal level and contrast it with the Demos policy which does nothing for Blacks.

32 posted on 02/03/2003 7:43:12 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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BTW, great post.
33 posted on 02/03/2003 7:51:15 AM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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The baseline assumption about Republicans is that we're all Klan until proven otherwise. I wish I were merely mouthing off, exaggerating, whatever; but believe me, I've spent too much time reviewing Black focus group tapes to indulge in delusions. Republicans do not have issues in Black America: we ARE the issue. And until we go onto Black turf, and say who we are with persistence and passion, we will remain what the Democrats want us to be: the Bogeymen, the backdrop for scaring Black non-politicals to the polls

This is a key point. People create a "world view" based on their perceptions and conceptions. Their conceptions are based on their perceptions. So if people hear on a daily basis lies about the Republicans, from radio and from slanted "news" coverage from liberal papers, this is what they are exposed to. They will tend to believe that all media, not just the media they listen to and read, has the same viewpoint. Or that what they listen to and read is normal (since after all, they're normal), and so any other views are "right-wing", or cracker, or whatever.

This is reality. FReepers are subject to this also. Someone who comes to this forum every day, and uses it as a primary news source, will end up with a particular viewpoint which they will believe to be true, and valid. Maybe it is. But be aware that other people have different views based on their media exposure.

If we really want to get the black vote to swing around, the Republican party is going to have to engage in a long term (4 to 8 year) campaign of placing ads on black radio and in black papers (as paid advertising.) Start simple and go from there. Remember, the population targeted has in general been "educated" in public schools and "churches" in poor districts with all kinds of liberal and foolish stuff in the past (ebonics, egyptions were black people, only white people were slave traders, God is black and white people are evil "ice people", etc.)

I don't know much about advertising, but I could visualize something simple like:

"You have heard much bad about Republicans being Klan, keeping black people down, hating black people. Here are some facts...
It was Republicans who voted for the 1964 civil rights amendment, and Democrats who voted against it. (Give some details.)
Ad paid for by "Republicans for Truth" (or something like that.)

Each ad should have the same intro and conclusion, and a different "factoid" in it. Each ad should run for 30 seconds. The ads should not be targeted for election cycles but should instead be run all the time, every week.

Newspaper ads in black papers should be longer with more detail. Start simple and get more detailed over time.

This approach would provoke discussion in the black community. In the beginning it would be laughed at. But over time it would get the point across. It would provoke more and more discussion. And as long as it was rigorously true then it would work.

Believe me, otherwise nothing will change. People believe what their conceptions tell them. Their conceptions are based on their perceptions. If there is no positive information about Republicans entering their perceptions, then they will never change their viewpoints.

35 posted on 02/03/2003 8:03:55 AM PST by dark_lord
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Republicans have placed two initiatives into our core Party platform that will eventually, in my opinion, make inroads into the Black community.

School vouchers are the first of those two initiatives. School vouchers are such a compelling idea that over time they will be implemented. How can they not be implemented?! Inner city schools are failing and inner city tax bases are declining, so parents are going to have to look outside the inner city for solutions. Eventually that search for a solution will land on the vouchers idea, thus drawing in many inner city parents to the Republicans who are backing said vouchers.

The other major initiative is faith-based charity. Over time this initiative will win over a portion of Black churches, especially those churches who do real work for the homeless and hungry in the inner cities.

Frankly, I expect that the demonization of the Republican party will continue to accelerate in the meantime, however, as the Democrats realize that they must hold onto the Black vote at all costs.

Nonetheless, over time such demonizations will inevitably backfire. Portraying Bush as a racist Klan freak intent on lynching Blacks is simply not going to "play well" over time. Likewise, demonizing the very Party that is offering the school vouchers that are needed to get Black kids into good private schools can hardly be continued ad infinitum.

Further, there is likely to be some "point" in time in which the demonizations of the past become noticeably counter-productive. When we reach that point, then we'll see Blacks willing to re-evaluate their traditional loyalties. En masse, they will (at that point) begin to see that their pro-life views align more with Republicans than with Democrats. They will begin to see that their pro-gun views do similarly, and the same goes for their strong national defense views.

Moreover, once that "point" in time is reached, Blacks will begin, en masse, to question the Democratic Party's eugenic, environment-over-jobs, anti-housing (ie urban sprawl) views, in my opinion.

But getting to that "point" will require that Republicans be visible (even outside the political world) in Black communities (e.g. building houses, fighting crime, helping charities). It's much harder to demonize the people who you know, after all.

But even with great pro-Black ideas such as vouchers, Republicans aren't going to reach that "point" anytime soon, and they certainly aren't going to get there if all the Republicans isolate themselves in their suburban and rural paradises (leaving inner-cities to rot).

So we've got a long way to go, granted.

With that said, however, at least we do have a positive plan for getting there that doesn't require lying or demonizing our opposition. Vouchers WILL fix the inner-city school problem. Faith-based charities WILL solve many of our charitable dilemas in the inner-cities. Pro-Life judges and laws WILL ease the war on Black children, etc.

2008 to 2012 will probably see an end to the current 90% Democratic Party vote from the Black community, such that each political contest is decided on the person more than the Party even in the most urban of districts (but don't kid yourself, there are powerful players who won't like an end to "bloc voting" habits at all, so expect their rhetoric and actions to heat up in the meantime).

I'm VERY thankful, however, for the 10% of Blacks who are already ahead of that forthcoming trend. I hope that they are rewarded with positions of power and influence far in advance of their own percentages in our Party, as they are the ones who have been with us through our bleakest hour when it would have been far easier (and more popular for them) to have "gone with the flow" rather than stand up for principle.

36 posted on 02/03/2003 8:56:40 AM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: rdb3
There is a lot of talk on this thread about marketing but it goes beyond marketing as well. There are actually problems to be solved and there are actually skin-color neutral solutions to them.

For instance school choice is a solution to the problem of black children being forced to remain in bad schools but it is a skin-color neutral solution.

Jeb Bush's plan to take the top graduates of high schools in Florida is also neutral to arbitrary physical charactersistics and solves the problem of high schools with differing resources. It adjusts for bad schools, not physical characteristics.

We have to propose Republican-conservative solutions like these to real problems, not just marketing campaigns. Marketing campaigns do not make the problems go away.

This is the way to get "votes". Not black votes, not white votes, just votes.
37 posted on 02/03/2003 10:38:01 AM PST by Arkinsaw
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