[Chancellor Palpatine]

Confirming once again that ascetiscism is not a natural state, and that by removing themselves from the world means that ascetics shouldn't opine on the state of things in the world.

[eastsider]

Generally speaking, I see nothing contrary to human nature in tempering the appetites and passions with reason, so I wouldn't characterize self-discipline per se as unnatural. My point about Tertullian is that his obsession with self-discipline was warped, even by early Christian standards.