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Why The French Are So Scared & Link To Al Qaeda/Iraq
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Posted on 02/09/2003 6:35:38 PM PST by WestCoastGal

IJAZ: Exactly. But there is another more important and more dangerous thing that is at hand. In my judgment, tomorrow Secretary Powell is going to go in front of the United Nations and make a case.

The case that he makes forensically is fairly clear now, that is that he is going to bring in intercepts and he's going to show exactly what it is we know the Iraqis have been moving around to violate the spirit and the letter of 1441. But what he may not be able as to easily talk about is the connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq, because that is not as much of a forensic connection.

HUME: In other words, that is not the kind of thing revealed in intercepts and photographs?

IJAZ: Exactly right. Because now al Qaeda has reduced itself to carrying all if its messages and all the most dangerous things that it does by hand carriage, if you will, by hand messengers.

Now, that is where we come back to what President Bush said in October of last year when he identified a senior al Qaeda leader who had gone to Iraq, received medical treatment to have a leg amputated that was blown up in the Afghan bombing campaign and then proceeded to a northern Iraqi terrorist outfit. What we have not yet heard and this is what my sources are telling me over the past two or three days, is that that leader was in fact, transported through southern Turkey using Albanian mercenaries to transport him into...

HUME: What is his name, by the way?

IJAZ: Abu Masab al-Zawkawi. He was transported through southern Turkey into the Balkans and then ended up in Paris sometime just before Ramadan started...

HUME: Last fall?

IJAZ: ... in 2002, last fall.

Now, the thing that is the most important about this is that when they uncovered the cells in Paris two weeks ago, in the apartment where they uncovered those cells, they found traces of ricin. And those traces of ricin are linked directly to this man Zawkawi.

HUME: These are al Qaeda cells?


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS:
MANSOOR IJAZ, FOX FOREIGN AFFAIRS ANALYST: Thank you for having me here in Washington.

HUME: What's your -- what are your sources telling you what France might be nervous about here?

IJAZ: Well, there are two separate things. One is what would be uncovered if we were going to go to war with Iraq and essentially obliterate without French help the system that Saddam has set up. And there, what you have to worry about -- let's not forget that the French provided nuclear reactors to Iraq once upon a time.

And there may be a lot more in terms of information that could be brought out about what the French help has been quietly behind the scenes to the Iraqis during the ensuing years thereafter. That is, thing that is could be technically in violation of existing United Nations resolutions.

HUME: And sanctions, right.

IJAZ: Exactly. But there is another more important and more dangerous thing that is at hand. In my judgment, tomorrow Secretary Powell is going to go in front of the United Nations and make a case.

The case that he makes forensically is fairly clear now, that is that he is going to bring in intercepts and he's going to show exactly what it is we know the Iraqis have been moving around to violate the spirit and the letter of 1441. But what he may not be able as to easily talk about is the connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq, because that is not as much of a forensic connection.

HUME: In other words, that is not the kind of thing revealed in intercepts and photographs?

IJAZ: Exactly right. Because now al Qaeda has reduced itself to carrying all if its messages and all the most dangerous things that it does by hand carriage, if you will, by hand messengers.

Now, that is where we come back to what President Bush said in October of last year when he identified a senior al Qaeda leader who had gone to Iraq, received medical treatment to have a leg amputated that was blown up in the Afghan bombing campaign and then proceeded to a northern Iraqi terrorist outfit. What we have not yet heard and this is what my sources are telling me over the past two or three days, is that that leader was in fact, transported through southern Turkey using Albanian mercenaries to transport him into...

HUME: What is his name, by the way?

IJAZ: Abu Masab al-Zawkawi. He was transported through southern Turkey into the Balkans and then ended up in Paris sometime just before Ramadan started...

HUME: Last fall?

IJAZ: ... in 2002, last fall.

Now, the thing that is the most important about this is that when they uncovered the cells in Paris two weeks ago, in the apartment where they uncovered those cells, they found traces of ricin. And those traces of ricin are linked directly to this man Zawkawi.

HUME: These are al Qaeda cells?

IJAZ: These are al Qaeda cells run by Algerian operatives, who are then responsible for going and giving it to the London cell, to the Barcelona cell, to the Milan cell.

And the point I'm trying to make to you is if the French have not publicly acknowledged that they found ricin in that apartment, that is a major breach of what this international war against terrorism is all about. Now, there can only be two reasons for that. One reason is that the French are afraid that there may be 50 other cells like this and don't want to cause a panic inside of France, which is a valid domestic reason.

But I think the more likely reason is that they are deeply concerned if they put that information out there, that then makes the case of al- Zawkawi tied to Iraq, getting recipes from making ricin from Saddam Hussein and bringing those to western Europe to commit terrorist acts.

That is where we sit with the French today, that lying and obfuscation is unacceptable. They need to be called on the mat about this and I hope the secretary will, at minimum, mention the recipe books being moved around inside of Iraq so we can clearly see what the intent of these people are through this process.

HUME: You mean the intent of al Qaeda.

IJAZ: The intent of al Qaeda working with Saddam inside of Iraq.

HUME: Now, in what sense though, would a revelation of this kind other than the fact that this information hadn't been given to western intelligence agency, if it hasn't, embarrass Franc? Very quickly.

IJAZ: It embarrasses France in a very important way. It showed that they are not -- when they had the intelligence -- and by the way, German intelligence is the one that confirmed that Zakawi had gone back to Iraq into Iran. That means the French and the Germans, the two people that are complaining the loudest are the ones with the best intelligence and not sharing it with the world. This is absolutely unacceptable.

HUME: Monsoor Ijaz, very interesting. Thank you, sir.

IJAZ: Thank you for having me.

1 posted on 02/09/2003 6:35:38 PM PST by WestCoastGal
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To: WestCoastGal
amazing.
2 posted on 02/09/2003 6:39:50 PM PST by RobFromGa (The Clinton Counter Library Deserves Our Support.)
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To: WestCoastGal; BartMan1
good post...
3 posted on 02/09/2003 6:40:23 PM PST by IncPen ( Every bite of every sandwich is important - Warren Zevon, on his terminal cancer diagnosis)
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To: WestCoastGal
I heard part of this interview. Ijaz is very credible.
4 posted on 02/09/2003 6:44:28 PM PST by RichardW
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To: WestCoastGal
Interesting stuff. Just who is this Ijaz guy and where is he from? He's an analyst for whom? Just curious.
5 posted on 02/09/2003 6:45:38 PM PST by jwalburg
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To: RichardW
Yes, he was on again this morning and repeated this story again. It was so complicated that I had to find a transcript to properly post it. It's quite amazing and he has a lot of contacts that really know what is going on in the underworld of terrorists.
6 posted on 02/09/2003 6:48:17 PM PST by WestCoastGal
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To: IncPen
Holy smokes, Glenn Beck was talking about this last week! Before Powell went to the UN ! Where did Glenn Beck get his info from?
7 posted on 02/09/2003 6:48:45 PM PST by taildragger
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To: WestCoastGal
Very interesting post.

If there's anything in it, the French are incredibly stupid. Bush is a gentleman, and doesn't make a practice of embarrassing his friends. He was not vindictive in pursuing clinton after he left office. He would have had no reason to embarrass the French if they had only shown some cooperation.

So the French cooperated with Saddam. Well, in earlier years the CIA cooperated with bin Ladin and the Taliban. What counts is what people are doing after 9/11. If the French cooperated with us now, no one would have made all that much of their earlier misbehavior.

I can't help thinking that the French and the Germans are in some kind of strange self-destructive mode. As the old saying goes, "Those whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad."
8 posted on 02/09/2003 6:48:56 PM PST by Cicero
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To: jwalburg
Here is his bio.



Ijaz is founder and chairman of The Crescent Partnerships, a series of New York-based private equity partnerships focused exclusively on the development of national security technologies. The firm’s partners include retired Air Force Lt. Gen. James Abrahamson, former director of President Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative and Turkey’s Global Group. Former CIA Director James Woolsey serves as vice chairman of Crescent’s Board of Governors.

As a private American citizen, Ijaz negotiated Sudan’s counterterrorism offer to the Clinton administration in April 1997 and proposed the framework for a cease-fire of hostilities in Kashmir between Indian security forces and Muslim separatists in August 2000.

Ijaz is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and has been featured twice in BARRON’s Currency Roundtable discussions. He has contributed to the editorial pages of the Financial Times, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post, Newsweek and International Herald Tribune on matters related to nuclear proliferation, terrorism, politics and the Islamic world.

Ijaz received his Bachelor’s degree magna cum laude in Physics from the University of Virginia and received his Master of Science degree in Mechanical Engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology


9 posted on 02/09/2003 6:50:08 PM PST by WestCoastGal
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To: RichardW
I'm so glad this was posted; I heard this before my company came today and was hoping to find it on the web to share with friends. Dang the French anyway. Bunch of weenies.
10 posted on 02/09/2003 6:51:20 PM PST by Peach
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To: WestCoastGal
Was this interview a day before Powell went to the U.N.? Also, I thought the ricin the French found was made public.
11 posted on 02/09/2003 6:51:42 PM PST by swany
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To: WestCoastGal

12 posted on 02/09/2003 6:51:56 PM PST by mhking ("The home team Iraqis have won the toss and elected to receive...")
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To: WestCoastGal
Pretty decent credentials, I'd say. Thanks for the info.
13 posted on 02/09/2003 6:52:11 PM PST by jwalburg
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To: swany
Yes that was the day before and he re-stated it again today. Also the Ricin story that we heard about was in London.
14 posted on 02/09/2003 7:02:01 PM PST by WestCoastGal
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To: taildragger
��5{�������� type of stuff is well known amongst the people who travel the diplomatic circuit.

Rumsfeld was over there popping them on the noggins for being so, well, French about the whole damn thing

The truth is the French and the krauts are overrun with Islamists and while they may actually be on our side (at least I like to think in my black little heart they are), they won't have alot of wiggle room until a few million of the bad guys are lining up for (and disappointed there's a shortage of) virgins
15 posted on 02/09/2003 7:05:18 PM PST by IncPen ( Every bite of every sandwich is important - Warren Zevon, on his terminal cancer diagnosis)
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To: jwalburg
This paragraph reminded me of the Clinton failure to nab bin laden.

***As a private American citizen, Ijaz negotiated Sudan’s counterterrorism offer to the Clinton administration in April 1997 and proposed the framework for a cease-fire of hostilities in Kashmir between Indian security forces and Muslim separatists in August 2000.***

Here is the Clinton fiasco.......

The Sudan story also shows that politics can override and policymakers ignore good intelligence. By 1996, Khartoum's enthusiasm for an ideological Islamic state had waned. Pragmatists were prevailing over ideologues. In February 1996, as The Washington Post has reported, Khartoum tried to cooperate on counter-terrorism. Sudan's minister of state for defense (now its U.N. ambassador), Maj. Gen. Elfatih Erwa, secretly visited the United States to propose a trade -- bin Laden's extradition to Saudi Arabia in return for an easing of political and economic sanctions. Riyadh refused.

Three months later, after offering to hand bin Laden over to U.S. authorities, Sudan expelled him, as Deputy National Security Adviser Samuel R. "Sandy" Berger had urged. In July, Sudan gave U.S. authorities permission to photograph two terror camps. Washington failed to follow up. In August, Turabi sent an "olive branch" letter to President Clinton through Ijaz. There was no reply.

In October, Gutbi Al-Mahdi, Sudan's newly appointed, Western-educated intelligence chief, showed sensitive intelligence on terrorists tracked through Khartoum to one of us, Ijaz, to pass on to the Clinton administration. By election day 1996, top Clinton aides, including Berger, knew what information was available from Khartoum and of its potential value to identify, monitor and ultimately dismantle terrorist cells around the world. Yet they did nothing about it.


Here is the rest of the story if anyone is interested.

http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/43

16 posted on 02/09/2003 7:05:56 PM PST by WestCoastGal
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To: glock rocks; B4Ranch; madfly
Ping! Pa Ping! Well....well....well...
17 posted on 02/09/2003 7:06:13 PM PST by Madcelt (Free the World From tyrants ,dismantle the UN.)
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To: IncPen
The French have never been on our side unless they want something from us.

Do you remember when Reagan bombed Libya? France would not let out bombers fly over their airspace!!
18 posted on 02/09/2003 7:07:45 PM PST by WestCoastGal
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To: WestCoastGal
France would not let out bombers fly over their airspace!!

Hey! They were making souffles that day!

19 posted on 02/09/2003 7:34:32 PM PST by IncPen ( Every bite of every sandwich is important - Warren Zevon, on his terminal cancer diagnosis)
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To: WestCoastGal; glock rocks
You forgot to mention that a lot of the "Algerian" terrorist bombings in Southern France really slowed way down after the "gipper" showed Momar he would/could get his! But Mitterand did'nt even say thank you for that. Rude a.. French...Thats Gratitude for ya!(again!)
20 posted on 02/09/2003 7:42:06 PM PST by Madcelt (I'm not looking for a job in the State Department!)
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To: WestCoastGal
IJAZ: The French and the Germans, the two people that are complaining the loudest are the ones with the best intelligence and not sharing it with the world.

Well this is a big surprise, isn't it?

We know France is a whore, but does Germany really need it's rep tainted?

21 posted on 02/09/2003 7:49:15 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: RichardW
Ijaz is very credible.

I agree. He is one of the most straight forward and honest experts on world affairs I have ever heard.

He is the one who exposed Clinton for refusing to get Osama when given the chance.

22 posted on 02/09/2003 8:09:54 PM PST by Jorge
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To: WestCoastGal
I always sit up and listen when Monsoor Ijaz speaks. I believe everything he says. He's a Democrat who voted for Clinton and gave millions to the Clinton campaigns, a Muslim from Pakistan, but totally loyal to America and working for our security, whether the government listens to him or not. He recently travelled around the world and went into mosques to see what they were saying everywhere. He believes Saddam Hussein has stashed his WMD, in collusion with terrorists, out of Iraq, like in Indonesia and the Phillipines, in those islands controlled by Muslim pirates. It will be very interesting to see if these weapons are ever found.
23 posted on 02/09/2003 8:36:05 PM PST by tinamina
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To: WestCoastGal
Sorry for the delayed thanks. Appreciate you clearing that up for me.
24 posted on 02/09/2003 8:47:50 PM PST by swany
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To: WestCoastGal
Ricin suspects were arrested in France then freed
By Sean O'Neill and Sandra Laville
(Filed: 10/01/2003) January 10th, 2003

Two of the seven terrorist suspects being held after the discovery of the deadly chemical ricin travelled to Britain from France last week, according to French intelligence sources.

Agents in Paris, who have been co-operating with the authorities in Britain, said yesterday that some of the men detained in London belonged to a group of Islamic militants which has been monitored for several months.

Some of the men - six of whom are Algerian and one Ethiopian - are believed to have undergone "training programmes" in Afghanistan, the remote Pankisi Gorge region of Georgia and Chechnya.

It is believed that two of them may have been questioned in France about terrorist activities but released - possibly so that they could be kept under surveillance.

The pair visited the La Courneuve district of Paris where four Algerian men were arrested last month and found to be in possession of chemicals and a decontamination suit.

Nicolas Sarkozy, the French interior minister, said that the suspects had then been in contact with a prominent Algerian terrorist who had earlier been arrested in Britain and with a cell in Frankfurt.

The spate of arrests on both sides of the Channel are, the authorities hope, dismantling a network created by Algerian Islamic terrorists. French sources say several of those detained have recently returned to Western Europe after a period in Chechnya.

The ricin being made in London may have been intended for use in France rather than against UK targets.

Scotland Yard has not named the men, aged in their teens, 20s or 30s, who were arrested this week after traces of the toxin and a crude laboratory were found in a flat in Wood Green which had been rented to two teenage asylum-seekers.
25 posted on 02/09/2003 8:59:54 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Islamofascism sucks!)
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To: Brad Cloven
And thank you! This reinforces what I thought earlier.

The people on this site are truly wonderful, all of you. When you don't have time to do your own homework, answers and sources are here, all you have to do is ask.
26 posted on 02/10/2003 6:42:43 AM PST by swany
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To: All
When we roll into Iraq, I wonder how many French and German "advisors" our forces will find roaming around the country?
27 posted on 02/10/2003 6:49:31 AM PST by WillVoteForFood
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To: Cicero
The French and the German are simply unhappy to be treated with disrespect. If the Bush White house allowed Colin Powell to conduct the normal diplomatic discussions with the allies before going public with their militant position, we would not have had this stand up between the Europeans, and the Americans. Incidentally, I am for the military force to REMOVE Saddam, but I am also against flexing muscle on TV as the Bush people do.
28 posted on 02/10/2003 6:58:58 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: mhking
The French are always there when they need us.......

Eaker

29 posted on 02/10/2003 7:00:27 AM PST by Eaker (64,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday. Somehow, it didn't make the news.)
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To: Brad Cloven
And the plot thickens!!!! The French are up to their eyeballs in doo doo, that's why they are so against the war with Iraq. They know we will find a link there to them and they will not get their deal on the oil that they have with Iraq. They are probably shredding like crazy in Iraq.

Watch both Germany & France come over to our side when they know we will not back down.
30 posted on 02/10/2003 8:22:27 AM PST by WestCoastGal
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To: MeeknMing
Can you ping this to your list?
31 posted on 02/10/2003 8:28:38 AM PST by WestCoastGal
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To: WestCoastGal
I looked on FOX News for a link but couldn't find it. Do you have a link to this transcript?

One ping coming up...

32 posted on 02/10/2003 12:06:16 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye SADdam. You're soon to meet your buddy Stalin in Hades.)
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To: WestCoastGal; Alamo-Girl; onyx; SpookBrat; Republican Wildcat; Howlin; Fred Mertz; ...
Why The French Are So Scared & Link To Al Qaeda/Iraq

HUME: These are al Qaeda cells?

IJAZ: These are al Qaeda cells run by Algerian operatives, who are then responsible for going and giving it to the London cell, to the Barcelona cell, to the Milan cell.

And the point I'm trying to make to you is if the French have not publicly acknowledged that they found ricin in that apartment, that is a major breach of what this international war against terrorism is all about. Now, there can only be two reasons for that. One reason is that the French are afraid that there may be 50 other cells like this and don't want to cause a panic inside of France, which is a valid domestic reason.

But I think the more likely reason is that they are deeply concerned if they put that information out there, that then makes the case of al- Zawkawi tied to Iraq, getting recipes from making ricin from Saddam Hussein and bringing those to western Europe to commit terrorist acts.

That is where we sit with the French today, that lying and obfuscation is unacceptable. They need to be called on the mat about this and I hope the secretary will, at minimum, mention the recipe books being moved around inside of Iraq so we can clearly see what the intent of these people are through this process.

HUME: You mean the intent of al Qaeda.

IJAZ: The intent of al Qaeda working with Saddam inside of Iraq.

HUME: Now, in what sense though, would a revelation of this kind other than the fact that this information hadn't been given to western intelligence agency, if it hasn't, embarrass Franc? Very quickly.

IJAZ: It embarrasses France in a very important way. It showed that they are not -- when they had the intelligence -- and by the way, German intelligence is the one that confirmed that Zakawi had gone back to Iraq into Iran. That means the French and the Germans, the two people that are complaining the loudest are the ones with the best intelligence and not sharing it with the world. This is absolutely unacceptable.



Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.

33 posted on 02/10/2003 12:09:17 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye SADdam. You're soon to meet your buddy Stalin in Hades.)
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To: MeeknMing
Bump!
34 posted on 02/10/2003 12:18:39 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: WestCoastGal
Osama Needs Valentines
http://www.send4fun.com/pages/osamaval/osamaval.cfm
35 posted on 02/10/2003 12:24:29 PM PST by Mark
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To: Mark
LOL!
36 posted on 02/10/2003 12:43:40 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye SADdam. You're soon to meet your buddy Stalin in Hades.)
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To: MeeknMing
They tell me there weren't any Frenchmen until a German [Had sexual congress with] a pig.

Or was that with a Belgian -- I forget .....
37 posted on 02/10/2003 12:50:46 PM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks for "le ping."

I saw this interview and was dumbfounded that the French and Germans aren't sharing their intel. Before all of this is over, I believe we will have found out some very interesting things regarding these two countries.

BTW, Ijaz is my favorite terrorist analyst on FNC and Major Bob is the best regarding military affairs.

38 posted on 02/10/2003 1:33:55 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (I heart "New" Europe.)
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To: MeeknMing
Bump!
39 posted on 02/10/2003 4:13:43 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (Let's Roll)
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To: MeeknMing
The plot thickens.

Old Europe has sucumbed to their own failing socialism, and is officially irrelevent.

France is no friend of the US.
40 posted on 02/10/2003 4:28:27 PM PST by MonroeDNA (dware ROCKS!!!! 101 mussels in one sitting, rasied over $2000 to keep the lights on at FR!)
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To: MeeknMing
Thanks for the ping....here's the link to the Fox transcript.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77650,00.html

41 posted on 02/10/2003 6:47:21 PM PST by WestCoastGal
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To: MeeknMing
That is where we sit with the French today, that lying and obfuscation is unacceptable. They need to be called on the mat about this and I hope the secretary will, at minimum, mention the recipe books being moved around inside of Iraq so we can clearly see what the intent of these people are through this process.

Good point! I hope so, too.

42 posted on 02/10/2003 9:40:50 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: WestCoastGal
Thanks...
43 posted on 02/11/2003 6:31:19 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye SADdam. You're soon to meet your buddy Stalin in Hades.)
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To: WestCoastGal
To summarize the French are scared because...

We will find out they violated UN sanctions...

We will find out they didn't share relevent info...

Al Quaeda will get them...

They have no spine...

They are cheese eating surrender monkeys...

It's dark...

The sky is falling...

boo...



44 posted on 02/11/2003 6:41:37 AM PST by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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