[Cabbages and Kings]

Rummy is right! The old Europe is an appropiate lable, France and Germany are passe - ignore them. When Russia trys to strut, ignore them also! but tell them and the world why, that's important.

[rrrod]

agree 100%.......german opinion is worthless! they have caused more death and destruction than any gov or culture in history!

[elhombrelibre]

Old Europe could sound venerable. I prefer the Shameful European States.