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The universe - just right
From The Economist print edition | Feb 13th 2003 | staff

Posted on 02/13/2003 9:59:49 PM PST by Phil V.



The universe

Just right

Feb 13th 2003
From The Economist print edition


The age and composition of the universe have now been established

HOW old is the universe? What is it made of? How did it start? People have asked these questions since the dawn of humanity, but the answers have kept changing. Now, they may change no longer. An American satellite called the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) has just provided answers that are more precise, and more certain, than ever before. The universe is 13.7 billion years old. It is made of three substances. And a theory of its beginning, known as inflation, is correct.

The WMAP measures small variations in the cosmic microwave background (CMB) - cool radiation created only 380,000 years (another figure that has now been nailed down) after the Big Bang. By measuring the size of hot and cold spots in the CMB, it is possible to deduce how far away they are, and thus how old the universe is. Hot and cold, though, are relative terms. The CMB is a few degrees above absolute zero. Theorists had predicted that its temperature would vary by a tiny amount (millionths of a degree) over the sky. This was confirmed in 1992 by a satellite called COBE (Cosmic Background Explorer). But, although COBE's temperature sensitivity was adequate, its angular resolution was poor, so it could not distinguish the features necessary to gauge the universe's age.

WMAP has 30 times the angular resolution of COBE, and 35 times its sensitivity to temperature. This allows it to establish precise details of the universe's composition that were previously known only roughly. A mere 4.4% of the universe, it seems, is made up of "ordinary" matter (ie, the stuff of atoms). Around another 23% is made of "cold dark matter", whose nature is unknown. And 73% is the still more mysterious "dark energy", which acts as a repulsive force, driving the rest apart.

Because it also measures the polarisation of the CMB with great sensitivity (polarisation shows how jumbled electromagnetic waves are), WMAP has established that the first stars formed when the universe was a mere 200m years old. This, though, was well beyond the inflationary period - an instant just after the Big Bang when the universe expanded super-rapidly. Inflation (which explains why the universe is, in a three-dimensional sense, flat) predicts what the statistical distribution of hot and cold patches should be. The WMAP confirms that it is so. Truth, it seems, is just as strange as theory.



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1 posted on 02/13/2003 9:59:49 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: Phil V.
Will this lower my taxes? ;o)
2 posted on 02/13/2003 10:03:00 PM PST by Drammach
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To: Phil V.
The bottom half layers (( pre cambrian )) of the geologic column (( no fossils )) formed from below . . .

and the top half layers (( cambrian // post cambrian )) formed rather quickly from above (( no intermediary fossils )) - - -

uniformism (( time )) // EVOLUTION is ==== gone // over // never happened .. .. .. HOAX !


3 posted on 02/13/2003 10:06:50 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: Drammach
Taxes will be raised so we can begin developing the technology to mine dark matter and bring it home. < /grin>
4 posted on 02/13/2003 10:07:34 PM PST by Mark Felton
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To: Drammach
relatively, yes
5 posted on 02/13/2003 10:07:34 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: f.Christian
bless you

the Scriptures clearly refute this bullshit

DEATH TO ASTROPHYSICS

6 posted on 02/13/2003 10:12:44 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: Drammach
Taxes will continue to rise to pay for our intellectual liberal overlords and their psuedoscience big govt tyranny statist nanny socialism !

Brainwashing conservatism and indoctrinating liberalism // dependcence -- technocracy // tecnocRATS!
7 posted on 02/13/2003 10:16:21 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: Phil V.
Evolution is -- full on -- brainwashing (( redacting // deleting -- HATING God -- conservatism )) and . . .

indoctrinating // programming LIBERALISM -- LOVING lies // bias -- all through America // society ! ! !

All unashamedly on the FR too ==== "fraud // corruption" ==== UNADULTERED tyranny // blasphemy -- slavery !


8 posted on 02/13/2003 10:30:05 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: Phil V.
Are we experiencing Universal Warming? Darn these fossil fuels
9 posted on 02/13/2003 10:32:02 PM PST by woofie
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To: Phil V.
YEC read later
10 posted on 02/13/2003 10:37:08 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: f.Christian
I agree with you, except conservatism isn't related to hating God. Maybe you didn't mean that?
11 posted on 02/13/2003 10:37:34 PM PST by fabian
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To: fabian
Creation/God...REFORMATION(Judeo-Christianity)---secular-govt.-humanism/SCIENCE---CIVILIZATION!

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!

Evolution...Atheism-dehumanism---TYRANNY(pc/liberal/govt-religion/rhetoric)...

Then came the SPLIT SCHIZOPHRENIA/ZOMBIE/BRAVE-NWO1984 LIBERAL NEO-Soviet Darwin/ACLU America---the post-modern age of BRAINWASHING -- INDOCTRINATION ! !

12 posted on 02/13/2003 10:41:51 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: f.Christian
You must be some kind of weirdo!
13 posted on 02/13/2003 11:08:17 PM PST by Tangaray
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To: Tangaray
You like weird -- evolution ?

Main Entry: 2weird
Function: adjective
Date: 15th century
1 : of, relating to, or caused by witchcraft or the supernatural : MAGICAL
2 : of strange or extraordinary character : ODD, FANTASTIC
- weird·ly adverb
- weird·ness noun
synonyms WEIRD, EERIE, UNCANNY mean mysteriously strange or fantastic. WEIRD may imply an unearthly or supernatural strangeness or it may stress queerness or oddness < weird creatures from another world >. EERIE suggests an uneasy or fearful consciousness that mysterious and malign powers are at work < an eerie calm preceded the bombing raid >. UNCANNY implies disquieting strangeness or mysteriousness < an uncanny resemblance between total strangers >.



14 posted on 02/13/2003 11:15:13 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: f.Christian
Does Copernicus piss you off as well?
15 posted on 02/14/2003 12:39:45 AM PST by Mensch (Is it me?)
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To: Mensch
I don't have a problem with science !
16 posted on 02/14/2003 12:43:31 AM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: f.Christian
really?
find me a live trilobite, then.
17 posted on 02/14/2003 5:47:24 AM PST by demosthenes the elder (assorted rude noises)
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To: Tangaray; f.Christian
f.Christian: uniformism (( time )) // EVOLUTION is ==== gone // over // never happened .. .. .. HOAX !
f.Christian: I don't have a problem with science !

Tangaray: "You must be some kind of weirdo!"

Agreed! f.Christian you do come across as an incredible weirdo!

You say you don't have a problem with science? If you don't, you sure fail to prove your point. I take it you worship the God who formed the earth according to the Scriptures? I worship the same God, revealed in the Scriptures, but I don't despise the conclusions of science in order to establish my God's reality.

By so doing ["HOAX!"] you repell many from seeing the glorious truth of God's reality, you blunt their ability to see their own need and in so doing, you completely distract folk from finding God where He is wonderfully revealed. Shame on you!

Jesus said "I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." John 10:10
Get with the program f.Christian!
Stop the self-righteous tirades against science...a field which studies HOW God did it.

18 posted on 02/14/2003 6:11:10 AM PST by ThirstyMan
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To: Phil V.
DEATH TO ASTROPHYSICS

It already committed intellectual suicide with the invention of fairy dust also known as dark matter.

What I love about the hypercephalic uniformitarians is that they, like congress, exempt themselves from their own rules.

19 posted on 02/14/2003 6:15:27 AM PST by Dataman
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To: f.Christian
Hey Fletch, you should read a book called: GOD THE EVIDENCE.

I forget the author's name, Sorry. He was an atheist scientist, who, over time and study, came to the scientific conclusion that god exists.

You might find his arguments interesting and helpful.
20 posted on 02/14/2003 6:32:30 AM PST by uncbuck (Sen Lawyers, Guns and Money.)
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To: Phil V.
"I want to understand the universe, how it came into being. Otherwise, life just seems pointless."–Stephen Hawking
21 posted on 02/14/2003 6:32:47 AM PST by Jackie
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To: Phil V.
the Scriptures clearly refute this bullshit .....DEATH TO ASTROPHYSICS

I was wondering if your emotional/irrational/non-sensical position on the Middle East translated to other spheres of knowledge, and this post of yours brilliantly confirmed my suspicions.

22 posted on 02/14/2003 6:39:10 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: f.Christian; All
"I don't have a problem with science ! "

Any of you who have read his other postings, would realise that he is well versed in science.

He just has a different typing style. Sometimes its hard to follow.

Fletch, get that book, the author uses the SCIENCE of EVOLUTION to prove the existence of GOD.

I'm sure you've heard of 'Evolution By Design'.

He also uses some other arguments, Big Bang, the weight of the atomic particles, near death experiences, the genetic string, time-space, etc. It's a facinating book.
23 posted on 02/14/2003 6:43:41 AM PST by uncbuck (Sen Lawyers, Guns and Money.)
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To: ThirstyMan
Get with the program f.Christian! Stop the self-righteous tirades against science...a field which studies HOW God did it.

Science and evolution are two different words // worlds .. .. ..

that aren't even related // connected -- -- --

they are opposites !

24 posted on 02/14/2003 9:32:15 AM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: uncbuck; gore3000
And isn't it just marvelous to know that . . .

the govt is via public money -- schools -- teachers - - -

brainwashing the Truth // science (( conservatism )) out of children // America and - - -

indoctrinating them // us with lies // liberalism ==== EVOLUTION (( ?? )) !

The Gulag America !

g3...

the greatest intellectuals on FR - "evolution is whatever lie you want it to be" by f.christian.


32 posted on 02/09/2003 7:24 PM PST by gore3000

fC...

thanks!
25 posted on 02/14/2003 9:35:56 AM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: f.Christian
Science and evolution are two different words // worlds .. .. ..

that aren't even related // connected -- -- --

they are opposites !

I must have missed the teaching of "evolution" in the article. Please point it out. The article starts with the word, "How" [a very legitimate science question] and asks only science related questions. There is a lot of speculation in the article with a touch of marginal certainty

You see this line of inquiry as a potent threat to your belief in God?
That's weird.

26 posted on 02/14/2003 10:32:08 AM PST by ThirstyMan
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To: ThirstyMan
To: f.Christian

Dakmar...

I took a few minutes to decipher that post, and I must say I agree with a lot of what you said.

fC...

These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values(private/personal) GROWTH(limited NON-intrusive PC Govt/religion---schools)!

Dakmar...

Where you and I diverge is on the Evolution/Communism thing. You seem to view Darwin and evolution as the beginning of the end for enlighted, moral civilization, while I think Marx, class struggle, and the "dictatorship of the proletariat" are the true dangers.

God bless you, I think we both have a common enemy in the BRAVE-NWO.

452 posted on 9/7/02 8:54 PM Pacific by Dakmar

27 posted on 02/14/2003 10:45:14 AM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: ThirstyMan; Dataman
I took enough geology in college to know that prospecting has everything to do with probablility and nothing to do with evolution or so-called geologic time.

I have a meeting in 20 minutes so I'll be brief and give a few reasons why the earth is young:

Because the growth of coral reefs has been measured, no coral formaton need be over 3400 years old

The same with stalagmites and stalactites Radiometric contradictions abound, making it unreliable.

The geologic column exists only in text books. If the earth's layers were formed over millions of years, they should be relatively consistent everywhere.

Human artifacts have been found in layers dating back millions of years.

Human footprints dating back 150 million to 600 million years ago have been found in Utah, Kentucky, Missouri, possibly PA and TX.

Radioactive decay of only uranium and thorium would produce all the atmosphere's He in only 40k years. The atmosphere has not yet stabilized.

Lead diffuses from zircon crystals at a known rate. The rate increases with temperature. Greater depths and temps should reveal less pb in the crystals. If the earth were even a fraction of the supposed geologic age, we should be able to measure a difference in the crystals found in the first 2 miles of the earth's crust. Instead, no measurable difference is found between the crystals near the surface and the crystals deep in the hot earth.

Since you claim to be familiar with the oil drilling business, you may know that gas, oil and water are trapped in relatively permeable rock. The pressure disappears somewhere between 10k and 100k years. There is no possible way for the oil to be trapped for 50 million years.I am talking about serious men (often Christian men) who raise their families based on tests which tell them where the oil, gold, copper, uranium might be due to geological movements of millions of years.

Volcanoes belch a cubic mile of debris into the atmosphere each year. If the earth is 4.6 billion years old, about 10x the earth's volume should have been put into the atmosphere and that's at current rates. Evos claim that volcanic activity was higher in the past.

The rate of continental erosion indicates a young earth.

River sediment transport indicates a young earth

The rate of accumulation of minerals and salts in the ocean indicates a young earth.

Meteorite material is found in relatively shallow earth.

Meteoric dust accumulation indicates a young earth.

The rate of decay of the earth's magnetic fields indicates a young earth.

The rate of cooling of the earth indicates a young earth.

The rate of recession of the moon indicates a young earth.

The accumulation of dust on the moon indicates a young moon.

There are many more reasons such as OOP artifacts but I'm late for the meeting.

87 posted on 02/02/2003 3:33 PM PST by Dataman

.. .. .. 'lifted' (( link )) !

28 posted on 02/14/2003 11:41:00 AM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: f.Christian
Secular cosmologists give us this:

Time began with the BB.

This means that the explosion caused time. Bert Einstein tells us that time and space are one fabric.

So my question for the billions of years crowd is this:

If time and space are one fabric, and that fabric is expanding at the speed of light, how can we use uniformitarian assumptions and measurements to calculate the age of the universe?

29 posted on 02/14/2003 11:53:28 AM PST by Dataman
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To: Mark Felton
Taxes will be raised so we can begin developing the technology to mine dark matter and bring it home. < /grin>

You don't know the power of the Dark Matter!

30 posted on 02/14/2003 12:01:08 PM PST by colorado tanker ("Hi, my name is Hans and I'd like to inspect you" (overheard pick up line))
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To: Dataman


Just calling evolution a theory is an overstatement . . .

only an idea // mood // feeling - - -

an ideology === perverse oddity ! ! !


To: f.Christian

Conjecture masquarading as science might be more appropos - I agree.


71 posted on 01/21/2003 12:04 PM PST by Havoc ((Evolution is a theory, Creationism is God's word, ID is science, Sanka is coffee))

DOGMA masquarading as science might be more appropos - I agree.

Main Entry: dog·ma
Pronunciation: 'dog-m&, 'däg-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural dogmas also dog·ma·ta /-m&-t&/
Etymology: Latin dogmat-, dogma, from Greek, from dokein to seem -- more at DECENT
Date: 1638
1 a : something held as an established opinion; especially : a definite authoritative tenet b : a code of such tenets < pedagogical dogma > c : a point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds
2 : a doctrine or body of doctrines concerning faith or morals formally stated and authoritatively proclaimed by a church

Main Entry: 1con·jec·ture
Pronunciation: k&n-'jek-ch&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin conjectura, from conjectus, past participle of conicere, literally, to throw together, from com- + jacere to throw -- more at JET
Date: 14th century
1 obsolete a : interpretation of omens b : SUPPOSITION
2 a : inference from defective or presumptive evidence b : a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork c : a proposition (as in mathematics) before it has been proved or disproved

31 posted on 02/14/2003 12:22:01 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: ThirstyMan
Doesn't 'the economist' have a reputation of being a liberal rag -- mag !

Don't be so naive about evolution !

To: f.Christian

fC...

Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives(no govt religion--none) who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change.

LC...

Now I follow, thank you. Actually, I don't disagree with this at all since I see the left as abandoning the uncertianty of democracy and majority rule for the assurance technocracy and expert rule.

152 posted on 9/10/02 12:17 PM Pacific by Liberal Classic


32 posted on 02/14/2003 12:34:38 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: Jackie
JACKIE???
33 posted on 02/14/2003 10:50:56 PM PST by Phil V.
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To: Dataman
If time and space are one fabric, and that fabric is expanding at the speed of light,...

All of spacetime is expanding at the speed of light? I've never heard that one from the uniformitarian scientists before.

34 posted on 02/14/2003 11:08:50 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: Dataman
It already committed intellectual suicide with the invention of fairy dust also known as dark matter.

There are multiple observations on many different scales (all of them large) that point toward the existence of dark matter. The remaining work is to identify a particle or particles that make up dark matter. Other than that, it should be no more mysterious than neutrons. You do believe in those don't you?

35 posted on 02/14/2003 11:15:38 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: Moonman62
All of spacetime is expanding at the speed of light? I've never heard that one from the uniformitarian scientists before.

At nearly the speed of light.

36 posted on 02/15/2003 5:44:44 AM PST by Dataman
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To: Moonman62
There are multiple observations on many different scales (all of them large) that point toward the existence of dark matter. The remaining work is to identify a particle or particles that make up dark matter. Other than that, it should be no more mysterious than neutrons. You do believe in those don't you?

I understand the argument for dark matter and dark energy. It is the hypocrisy of the evolutionists on this subject that amazes me:

"Science" believes in dark matter and energy not because they can detect either one but only because they can "see its effects." IOW, Something is happening for which there is no current reasonable explanation. Therefore dark stuff. Here's the hypocrisy: They can see the effects and realize there must be a cause, but when it comes to the origin of the universe, a First Cause is denied.

Similarly, as with the existence of God, we can see the effects of a Designer, but refuse to acknowlege Him even though the alternate explanation, chance, is absurd.

37 posted on 02/15/2003 5:52:30 AM PST by Dataman
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To: Phil V.
The age and composition of the universe have now been established

The article says only 4.4 percent of the universe is made up of ordinary matter. The rest is mysterious dark stuff and even more mysterious dark energy.

It appears we have a way to go before we can claim we established the composition of the universe.

38 posted on 02/15/2003 6:04:41 AM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: f.Christian
If the universe is 6000 years old how did light from a star 7000 light years away get to earth? Wake up and join the 21st century.
39 posted on 02/15/2003 6:16:34 AM PST by Sentis
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To: f.Christian
Thank you for the link . . .
To: All

A very few links from the famous "list-o-links" (so the creationists don't get to start each new thread from ground zero).

Arguments we think creationists should NOT use from Answers in Genesis.
300 Creationist Lies.
Site that debunks virtually all of creationism's fallacies. Excellent resource.
Creation "Science" Debunked.

The foregoing is just a tiny sample. So that everyone will have access to the accumulated Creationism vs. Evolution threads which have previously appeared on FreeRepublic, plus links to hundreds of sites with a vast amount of information on this topic, here's Junior's massive work, available for all to review:
The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [ver 20].

59 posted on 02/01/2003 9:21 AM PST by PatrickHenry

40 posted on 02/15/2003 6:50:18 AM PST by Phil V.
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To: Sentis
"WAKE UP!!!"

a full blown psychotic (( all hate --- DENIAL // no reality )) !

TYPICAL EVO!
41 posted on 02/15/2003 12:31:40 PM PST by f.Christian (( Orcs of the world : : : Take note and beware. ))
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To: Sentis

st ...

If the universe is 6000 years old how did light from a star 7000 light years away get to earth? Wake up and join the 21st century.


fC ...

God isn't limited by your dumb thoughts // questions !

Wake up and join the civilized universe !
42 posted on 02/25/2003 4:29:33 PM PST by f.Christian (( + God *IS* Truth + love courage // LIBERTY *logic* *SANITY*Awakening + ))
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