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Humboldt County supes may close pot party beach
Modesto Bee ^ | 2/21/03 | AP

Posted on 02/21/2003 10:47:44 AM PST by hoosierskypilot

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:55:55 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Eureka(AP) - - If you're looking for a place to stage a pot party April 20th, don't bother coming to Clam Beach in Humboldt County. The county Board of Supervisors has been asked to close the beach that day because hundreds of people gathered last year for what's known as "420 Day."


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Are all kartoonfornians brain dead dope addicts?
1 posted on 02/21/2003 10:47:44 AM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
No. Some are just brain-dead.
2 posted on 02/21/2003 10:52:28 AM PST by Lysander (smoke 'em if ya got 'em)
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To: hoosierskypilot
The 420 refers to the number of marijuana threads per day on FR.
3 posted on 02/21/2003 10:52:29 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: hoosierskypilot
Kalifornia has the largest number of Freepers. That's just going by the ones who put their location in their profile.
This has to be an Onion ripoff.
4 posted on 02/21/2003 10:53:47 AM PST by babaloo999
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To: robertpaulsen
Don't make me call in the LCL.
5 posted on 02/21/2003 10:54:28 AM PST by babaloo999
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To: babaloo999
Today's paradox: can a libertarian be a freeper?
6 posted on 02/21/2003 10:56:13 AM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
Free Republic is an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!

People can call themselves anthing they want to. Libertarians agree to sentence number two. It's just some of the causes that are championed are not up to snuff.
7 posted on 02/21/2003 11:03:44 AM PST by babaloo999
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To: hoosierskypilot
Aw shucks: now what am I gonna do on 4-20? http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5524
8 posted on 02/21/2003 11:05:07 AM PST by Nick Thimmesch
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To: babaloo999
But I don't want to start a thread pitting the "jack booted statist thugs" against the "dope smoking cop hating pervert liberdopians".
Smokey Backroom, anyone?
9 posted on 02/21/2003 11:05:40 AM PST by babaloo999
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To: robertpaulsen
420 is also Hitler's Birthday.
10 posted on 02/21/2003 11:07:17 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: hoosierskypilot
believe it refers to the fact that there are some 420 compounds in marijuana smoke, but there are other theories.

Good grief, there are two predominate theories, and that aint one of them.

1) Its is alleged that in the 1960's, the police in California used a radio call signal of "420" to denote that they had viewed pot smokers, i.e., "This is car 54, we have a 420 in progress".

2) Something about 4:20 in the afternoon being the time you start smoking.

The "420 chemicals" think is nothing I have ever heard of, but the other two "theories" are widespread and accepted.

11 posted on 02/21/2003 11:10:58 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: hoosierskypilot
"Today's paradox: can a libertarian be a freeper?"

Oh know...you have opened a can of worms now...stand back and watch all the anti-libertarians and the libertarians go at it......


12 posted on 02/21/2003 11:11:51 AM PST by FeliciaCat
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To: babaloo999
Thanx 4 your summary, but it seems libertarianism and a republic are at cross-purposes. Isn't libertarianism merely an anarchy?
13 posted on 02/21/2003 11:24:26 AM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
Pot takes the normally stupid and makes them political --- 'champions' of conservatism !
14 posted on 02/21/2003 11:28:35 AM PST by f.Christian (( + God *IS* Truth - love * SCIENCE* // trust -- *logic* *SANITY* Awakening + ))
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To: robertpaulsen
Didja ever notice that the folks who yammer on and on about pot have never smoked it and have no clue what it's all about?
15 posted on 02/21/2003 11:29:45 AM PST by babylonian
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To: hoosierskypilot
Libertarians claim to want less government involvement in our daily lives, with the Constitution as the law of the land. Allegedly.
I suppose freedom = anarchy, eventually.
16 posted on 02/21/2003 11:35:26 AM PST by babaloo999
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To: babylonian
So they say.

But it's not that they favor pot, you see, just your freedom to smoke it. That elevates them, in their eyes, to Founding Father (and William F. Buckley) status.

But it's really moral relativism. That is, "I'm personally against smoking pot, but I favor legalization and if you choose to smoke pot, fine."

Heaven forbid if they were to judge someone's behavior.

17 posted on 02/21/2003 11:48:53 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: hoosierskypilot
Yeah, if they register.
18 posted on 02/21/2003 12:16:29 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: robertpaulsen
Heaven forbid if they were to judge someone's behavior.

Your lack of understanding here is profound.

Libertarians have no trouble judging other people's behavior, and often do when they shouldn't.

What you're complaining about is that they're not always willing to put their moral judgements into law and use the force of the state to back them up.

I can see it now....

L: "So do you support heroin in vending machines in gradeschools ?"

C: "No, of course not."

L: BOOM ! "Next, please."

LOL !

19 posted on 02/21/2003 12:17:46 PM PST by jimt
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To: babylonian
Didja ever notice that the folks who yammer on and on about pot have never smoked it and have no clue what it's all about?

Or so they claim.

20 posted on 02/21/2003 12:18:59 PM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Get High on Life, Not Drugs)
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To: babaloo999
the Constitution as the law of the land.

That's a little confusing since I keep reading that they defer to state's rights concerning pot. Or is it because, concerning pot, libertarians don't see any conflict between CA laws and the constitution?

21 posted on 02/21/2003 12:21:48 PM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
Clam Beach is such a dirty white trash area; it is good that th police will shut thier a$$e$ down.
22 posted on 02/21/2003 12:25:47 PM PST by Porterville
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To: robertpaulsen
"The 420 refers to the number of marijuana threads per day on FR."

LOL. Too funny.

23 posted on 02/21/2003 12:26:07 PM PST by RabidBartender (Hi!)
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To: hoosierskypilot
That's a little confusing since I keep reading that they defer to state's rights concerning pot.

Many do. However, if you read State Constiutions, You will be hard pressed to find one that gives prohibitory power to the State.

Or is it because, concerning pot, libertarians don't see any conflict between CA laws and the constitution?

Sure, there is no conflict between CA laws and the Constitution since the Constitution does not grant the federal government the power to ban anything, let alone "drugs". FDR-New Deal "interpretations" of the Commerce Clause do not pass as constitutional authority, especially since the CC gives congress the power to regulate commerce between the States, not ban commerce or private possession of plants or objects.

24 posted on 02/21/2003 12:28:13 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: Lysander; hoosierskypilot
No. Some are just brain-dead.

California is a big state, and because it's so nice here, it seems to attract a lot of the idiots from the other continental 48, as well as having many home-grown. So, if you really believe that your state is fee of brain-dead dope heads (and you'd be dead wrong), you can thank sunny California for that. Meanwhile, those of us in California with at least half a brain politely request that you stop dumping your trash in our yard.

Let me give you a little background on Humboldt county. It is out in the middle of NOWHERE, along the north coast. The existence of CSU, Humboldt brings in the usual college hippy types, who then never leave because the area is somewhat of a dope smoker's paradise (partly because of them). Because the land is rich but sparsely populated up there, it's a great place to grow marijuana undetected. In fact, the state and national parks in that area are notorious for containing booby-trapped fields of marijuana right smack in the middle of nowhere, and woe to the law enforcement officers who go snooping around up there. Recreational hikers are routinely given warnings about finding these kinds of "farms".
25 posted on 02/21/2003 12:28:37 PM PST by fr_freak
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To: FreeTally
What if, hypothetically speaking, there were a conflict between a CA state law and the constitution. Where would a libertarian stand on this? Is the state law supreme, or the constitution?
26 posted on 02/21/2003 12:58:51 PM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: fr_freak
state is fee of brain-dead...

A little early in the day to be hitting the weed, ain't it?

Seriesly, you can't expect civilization to take kartoonfornia seriesly, can you? San Fran provides free cash to dopers. San Fran provides free sex changes to pervs. Democrats are no longer embarrassed that they are socialists. The San Jose city council is communist. The Berkeley city council is socialist. Illegal immigrants are given a big, sloppy kiss, by CA govt.

Now, you're not really going to blame your problems on easterners who migrate to kalifornicate for the free drugs and no-consequence-until-you-contract-aids-and-die-sexual immorality, are you?

27 posted on 02/21/2003 1:07:04 PM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: Porterville
What?!
28 posted on 02/21/2003 1:14:36 PM PST by mngalt (Where the hell did you get that?)
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To: hoosierskypilot
What if, hypothetically speaking, there were a conflict between a CA state law and the constitution. Where would a libertarian stand on this? Is the state law supreme, or the constitution?

Good question. There is a conflict between California State law and the constitution. Its California's assault weapons bans and registering laws. They violate the Constitution. All libertarians I know do not support California's usurptation of the right to keep and bear arms, which is essential to the natural right of self-sefense.

There are compartively few instances where State laws violated the Constitution as compared to federal laws that violate the constitution/states rights.

29 posted on 02/21/2003 1:16:19 PM PST by FreeTally
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To: hoosierskypilot
But Clam Beach has become increasingly popular and county officials say they want to nip it in the bud.

"...nbip it in the bud".

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEHEHEHEH!!!!!!!!!!

30 posted on 02/21/2003 1:30:06 PM PST by NMFXSTC
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To: FreeTally
So the libertarian chooses state law sometimes (pot) and constitutional law other times (gun ownership).

Seems messy.

31 posted on 02/21/2003 2:07:23 PM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
I don't think you're eligible for the Golden Doughnut if it's your own thread that gets sent to Smoky perdition.

32 posted on 02/21/2003 2:16:55 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
I don't think you're eligible for the Golden Doughnut if it's your own thread that gets sent to Smoky perdition.

You wanna translate that into English?

33 posted on 02/21/2003 2:19:22 PM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
Frankly, no....;^)
34 posted on 02/21/2003 2:28:26 PM PST by headsonpikes
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To: mngalt
I'm no prize winning pig myself but I have camped on Clam Beach and cruised around the area several times; King Salmon is better then Clam Beach; it aint a safe place. :|
35 posted on 02/21/2003 3:32:16 PM PST by Porterville
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To: fr_freak
DW303MKMost those farms up here are owned by folks South of the border who, by growing the pot on state lands, avoid land confiscation and transportation problems. It is bad up here; the nation is actually being invaded by drug lords!!! I know people who have been shot at, and during the pot season you can see big 4x4's with garbage bags filled with pot heading up the hills to other part of CA, OR, NV...
36 posted on 02/21/2003 3:37:39 PM PST by Porterville
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To: babaloo999
Having grown up in Humboldt County, I can assure you this is no parody.

Arcata is the home of the Patchoulites.  The whole county is full of absolute freaks.

37 posted on 02/21/2003 3:46:49 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: robertpaulsen
lol...
38 posted on 02/21/2003 3:50:05 PM PST by sit-rep
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To: hoosierskypilot
Now, you're not really going to blame your problems on easterners who migrate to kalifornicate for the free drugs and no-consequence-until-you-contract-aids-and-die-

There have been 9 arrests for pot sales in Arcata in 6 weeks, all of them listed as out of state and none of them were from Mexico.

39 posted on 02/21/2003 4:10:30 PM PST by tubebender (?)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Yes, Humboldt Co. is quite famous to those who've ever read through an issue of High Times. I was just referring to the way this article was written. Sounded like they were making up loopy explanations for "420", and then the "nip it in the bud".
40 posted on 02/21/2003 4:15:07 PM PST by babaloo999
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To: hoosierskypilot
Can a big-government drug warrior be a freeper?
41 posted on 02/21/2003 4:16:50 PM PST by xm177e2 (smile) :-)
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To: babaloo999
Ahhh....that makes sense.

Toke-on, dude!

42 posted on 02/21/2003 4:16:55 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Psycho_Bunny
I should mention that I haven't seen a High Times mag in over ten years, heh.
43 posted on 02/21/2003 4:26:19 PM PST by babaloo999
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To: hoosierskypilot
Apparently. Nowhere else could a dope like Gray Skies Davis get reelected.

I wonder if there's any way to get a new birth certificate so I can say I was born in another state??
44 posted on 02/21/2003 4:28:12 PM PST by GOP_Raider (OAKLAND RAIDERS AFC CHAMPIONS!!!!)
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To: FreeTally
1) Its is alleged that in the 1960's, the police in California used a radio call signal of "420" to denote that they had viewed pot smokers, i.e., "This is car 54, we have a 420 in progress".

That or something real close is the way I've heard it for almost 20 years.

45 posted on 02/21/2003 4:31:47 PM PST by StriperSniper (Frogs are for gigging)
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To: xm177e2; hoosierskypilot
Today's paradox: can a libertarian be a freeper?

Can a big-government drug warrior be a freeper?

We have all kinds here, ya'll(you'se guys) know that. We even have a few liberals that have
been around a while and proclaim their love for 'all things Clinton/Gore'. They post a few comments
and then people make fun of them.
The liberdopian vs. hitler youth statist threads get as nasty as any conservative vs. liberal thread.
Of course, those are tea-time pantywaists compared to the Civil War(Wah of Naw-thun Aggression) threads.

It takes all kinds to run this big 'hunka hunka burnin' love', so can't we all just get along?

46 posted on 02/21/2003 4:44:06 PM PST by babaloo999
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To: hoosierskypilot; FreeTally
hoosierskypilot:
"What if, hypothetically speaking, there were a conflict between a CA state law and the constitution. Where would a libertarian stand on this? Is the state law supreme, or the constitution?"

Good question. There is a conflict between California State law and the constitution. Its California's assault weapons bans and registering laws.
They violate the Constitution. All libertarians I know do not support California's usurptation of the right to keep and bear arms, which is essential to the natural right of self-sefense.

There are compartively few instances where State laws violated the Constitution as compared to federal laws that violate the constitution/states rights.
29 FreeTally


So the libertarian chooses state law sometimes (pot) and constitutional law other times (gun ownership).
Seems messy.
-hsp-

Not 'messy' at all; - the choice is always pro-constitution.
If a state 'pot' law violates individual rights, it is unconstitutional, just as if it violated the individuals RKBA's.


It's simple common sense reasoning, - based on the fact that our US Constitutions main function is to protect the citizen from ALL levels of government, and these governments abilities to infringe upon on our liberties, unless held in check.

This is the problem, -- 'checks & balances' have disappeared in the political fog.

47 posted on 02/21/2003 5:05:41 PM PST by tpaine
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To: xm177e2
Ques: is enforcement of any drug law acceptable to libertarians? I.e., should there be any societal restrictions on drug use?

Ques: should there be any restrictions on who can come into the country? I.e., should we have open borders?

Ques: should anybody, including convicted felons (who have paid their debt to society) be allowed to own any kind of firearm they desire?

The reason I ask is because these seem to be the areas about which libertarians argue.

48 posted on 02/21/2003 9:06:19 PM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: tpaine
The reason I say it sounds messy is because I lived all over Tennessee for about 12 years. Tennesseans, to this day, contend the civil war was about state's rights. To them, slavery was secondary.

Yet, their arguments sounded almost identical to the arguments I've heard from libertarians on FR.

49 posted on 02/21/2003 9:10:03 PM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
I'm not a libertarian, so I can't really answer your questions.
50 posted on 02/21/2003 9:35:03 PM PST by xm177e2 (smile) :-)
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