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France fearful of America's cold shoulder as threat of retaliatory trade boycott increases
Times Online ^ | February 22, 2003 | by Adam Sage

Posted on 02/21/2003 7:15:45 PM PST by 11th_VA

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Francophobia - I love it ...
1 posted on 02/21/2003 7:15:45 PM PST by 11th_VA
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Failure to do so could exclude French firms, and notably Total, from the Iraqi oil fields that they have traditionally seen as their preserve.

Well, what do you know about that. It is all about oil after all! Color me shocked. ;)

2 posted on 02/21/2003 7:20:32 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ("The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.")
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Here in the SF Bay Area. imports from France MAY INCREASE....
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/5231217.htm
Bay Area still toasts French cheese, wine
Importers say politics of war have not changed buyers' preferences

CONTRA COSTA TIMES
John Rittmaster, wine director of Prima in Walnut Creek, has not seen any Francophobic feelings in the Bay Area.
John Rittmaster, wine director of Prima in Walnut Creek, has not seen any Francophobic feelings in the Bay Area.

The Bay Area has always whistled a different tune than the rest of the country. Right now it sounds more like "La Marseillaise" than "Battle Hymn of the Republic." While some people in the rest of the country seethe at France's unwillingness to support U.S. action against Iraq, Bay Area residents have hardly paused while they fill their shopping carts with Bordeaux wine, pate, Perrier and fromage.

House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., reportedly wants to punish France for not supporting the administration's position on Iraq by imposing trade sanctions against wine and water imports. Cubbie's, a restaurant in Beaufort, N.C., made headlines by changing its menu to read "freedom fries" instead of french fries and putting a sign in the window explaining it was motivated by patriotism.

Anecdotal information about an anti-France backlash has surfaced in other parts of the country. In Fairfax, Va., customers cleared the shelves of American-made bottled water at a local supermarket before last weekend's snow storm, but left French brands such as Evian untouched, said Chris Barnekov, a local resident who personally avoids French products. "A sign should be posted warning that drinking French water might cause one to turn into a yellow-bellied, lily-livered weasel," he said, a sign of his outrage over France's opposition to the use of force against Iraq.

And not surprisingly, the uproar has spread to the Internet, with Web sites like www.francestinks.com sprouting and encouraging a boycott of certain French products. The Web site encourages "loyal American patriots" to re-enact a modified version of the Boston Tea Party. On March 4 at midnight, like-minded activists across the country should flush their French products down the toilet, the Web site says.

Yet such Francophobic feelings have not surfaced in the Bay Area.

"I spent the whole morning packing up a (French) burgundy that was pre-sold," said John Rittmaster, the wine director of Prima, a restaurant and wine store in Walnut Creek. Local wine buyers have not mixed their politics with their vintages at his shop, although they have in the past, he said. When South Africa practiced apartheid, many local connoisseurs refused to sample its wine.

Rittmaster suspects that anti-French activists were not buying French wine before anyway, and that in the Bay Area sympathies mostly go the other direction. "(The activists) wouldn't know foie gras from hamburger," he joked. "They may want to pop off about France, but they wouldn't know what end of the wine bottle to open."

Other local merchants also reported no visible reaction to French products, but are less disparaging of those who might feel that way. "As a company we have not seen any changes in demand," said Chantal Griffin, a sales manager at Domestic Cheese, a San Francisco importer that distributes 45,000 pounds of French cheese a month to stores throughout Northern California. Griffin, whose family is French (but whose husband is English), said that she is sensitive to the possibility of a backlash, and is keeping a lookout. But so far the only politically motivated boycott she's seen is that some customers refuse to buy Israeli feta cheese for political reasons.

One of her customers, the Junket, a gourmet food shop in El Cerrito, also has seen no sign of an anti-France backlash among its customers. "Let's face it, the brie is still the best," said Cindy Fritsch, who owns the store with her husband.

Other importers contacted by the Times also were skeptical there will be a boycott or backlash. "This is the left coast here," said Karen Miller, the general manager of the De Choix Specialty Food Co., in San Francisco. "Nobody here supports Bush. If anything, demand is going to increase."

The strength of the euro is a much bigger factor for French product importers because it makes the products more expensive, Miller added. And as far as activism goes, most Bay Area cheese activism focuses on rallying support for local dairies, she said.

The French Government Tourist Office tracks the number of travelers from the United States who visit France. It is still too early to tell whether the current political disagreement will translate into less tourism, said Rick Graham, the press attaché for the Western Region office in Los Angeles. With the aftereffects of 9/11 and the potential military conflict already upending people's travel plans, it is difficult to tell what caused the 18 percent drop in American visitors to France last year, he said.

Graham's office does field calls from travelers, however, and he said about half the calls are supportive and half are critical -- an unscientific but perhaps revealing barometer. "People are very adamant about their positions, whether for or against," he said.

3 posted on 02/21/2003 7:22:04 PM PST by Drango (don't need no stinkin' tag line)
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We export 10,000 tonnes of camembert, brie, and goat and sheep cheeses to the US, but we make 20 times more in our American factories.

Hmmm, interesting. I'd like to know more about this.

4 posted on 02/21/2003 7:26:25 PM PST by T Minus Four
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>>Jean-Louis Tricard, his counterpart in Bordeaux, thought, or at least hoped, that wine-drinkers would be immune to calls for a boycott of French products. “We are dealing with an up-market population that is less sensitive to populist ideas,” he says. <<

LOL. Not here in Texas. I read an article about a restaurant in Fort Worth that was having a wine tasting event. They had planned to use French wines, but switched to Australian ones instead!

5 posted on 02/21/2003 7:35:18 PM PST by serinde
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We need to coin a new phrase though..isn't a "phobia" a fear of something? Kindergardeners who just watched an all-day Exorcist marathon aren't AFRAID of france...we need a term that just says we HATE france ...how about francobastards? or screwdafrenchia?
6 posted on 02/21/2003 7:35:39 PM PST by way-right-of-center (it's easy to hide when no one is looking)
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They'd better be afraid, very afraid.

Game-time is over. We ain't playing. This is a very serious thing.

7 posted on 02/21/2003 7:39:14 PM PST by LibKill (Give me back my DDT!)
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We don’t think the present tensions will influence consumer behaviour,” LVMH, the luxury goods group that makes about 26 per cent of its sales in the US

That's because the "Luxury Goods Group" exports to American liberals. I heard a song on a Country & Western station today that expresses my view. "The Statue of Liberty is shaking her fist, and we are going to give them a boot up their ass, because that is the American way."

8 posted on 02/21/2003 7:39:56 PM PST by ghostrider
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They have three brand names in America.
Sorrento
President
Mountian Farms

Here is their website address. http://www.lactalisusa.com/
9 posted on 02/21/2003 7:40:16 PM PST by ao98
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I fear that we have awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve
Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

And so they have...
10 posted on 02/21/2003 7:41:16 PM PST by krogers58
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To: 11th_VA
Jean-Louis Tricard, his counterpart in Bordeaux, thought, or at least hoped, that wine-drinkers would be immune to calls for a boycott of French products. “We are dealing with an up-market population that is less sensitive to populist ideas,” he says.

So, in other words, they think that if you drink french wine you become like them?

Becki

11 posted on 02/21/2003 7:43:11 PM PST by Becki (It's time to bomb Saddam!)
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To: 11th_VA
I'll miss my Dannon yogurt and brie, but I have no doubt I can find some suitable replacements made by US firms.
12 posted on 02/21/2003 7:49:28 PM PST by Think free or die
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>>Francophobia - I love it ... <<

Its not really "phobia." We have no fear of these cheese eating surrender monkeys. Heck, Bangladesh doesn't fear the French. I'll be El Monte doesn't fear the French.

I looked all over for a suffix to mean "to despise." Couldn't find a thing. Any Safire-like wordsmiths out there?
13 posted on 02/21/2003 7:53:49 PM PST by freedumb2003
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see #6
14 posted on 02/21/2003 7:56:01 PM PST by way-right-of-center (it's easy to hide when no one is looking)
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The French and the Germans! Bastards, all. They deserve each other. There won't be a "next time" where the good ole USA comes to save their asses from each other.

A vile and seething pox on both your houses.

15 posted on 02/21/2003 7:56:02 PM PST by stboz
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>>“We are dealing with an up-market population that is less sensitive to populist ideas,” he says.

So, in other words, they think that if you drink french wine you become like.<<

Man is that guy in the clouds. Who has money to buy Bordeaux wines? Other than an extremely small number of limousine liberals, it is the people with MONEY. In other words conservatives who DO give a damn!

These days, a good California cab can almost match a Bordeaux and many would think of it as a patriotic switch.
16 posted on 02/21/2003 7:56:30 PM PST by freedumb2003
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skippeditopedia.

Scanned too fast -- thanks.
17 posted on 02/21/2003 7:57:26 PM PST by freedumb2003
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franceandgermanycangotohellia
18 posted on 02/21/2003 8:00:44 PM PST by way-right-of-center (it's easy to hide when no one is looking)
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A very wealthy French neighbor once told me that good wine can only be produced within a certain band that encircles the Earth symetrically above and below the equator. Above the equator, France falls within that band. So does California. Below the equator, Chile is perfectly centered in the band. The Frenchman's greatest secret was Chilian wine. He used to love to drive to Atlanta and buy a van load of chilean wine, that was discounted because Americans were "too uncultured" to know. He horselaughed at the "fools" who would buy the name brand European imports. The Frenchman only bought Chilean and California wines. He took pity on "uncultured" country boy me, and was determined to teach me the finer points of wine drinking. His determination and my slow wit resulted in a lot of empty wine bottles - hehe. I tried to get him to teach me the finer points of beer drinking too, but he would not hear of it. The moral of this story is "DUMP FRENCH WINE, AND BUY CALIFORNIA AND CHILEAN WINE!"
19 posted on 02/21/2003 8:04:45 PM PST by ghostrider
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To: serinde
but switched to Australian ones instead!

LOL! Kewl..

20 posted on 02/21/2003 8:04:46 PM PST by 11th_VA
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