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The Anti-Ikes Two ex-presidents could learn from Eisenhower and the Bay of Pigs.
opinion journal ^ | Today | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 02/24/2003 12:29:00 PM PST by cody32127

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:05:18 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Two of our former presidents, Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, have been talking a lot about their views and feelings on Iraq. It would be nice if they took to speaking less and thinking more. They could start with an event in the latter years of Dwight David Eisenhower, a former president who knew how to do the job. Forty-two years ago this spring, in April 1961, a young American president launched an amphibious invasion on a foreign shore. It was such a thorough failure that to this day the words "Bay of Pigs" are shorthand for "American military fiasco." The American-trained Cuban exiles who stormed the beaches of Cuba in hopes of liberating their homeland were, essentially, abandoned and left to die, denied the support they'd been promised by the U.S. government. Fidel Castro crushed them. The Bay of Pigs invasion was badly planned, poorly executed and almost wildly unrealistic. (Months before it began former secretary of state Dean Acheson told JFK, in a private Rose Garden conversation, that you didn't need Price Waterhouse to figure out 1,500 guerillas aren't going to beat 25,000 Cuban regulars.) And yet after the invasion, when Kennedy both acknowledged the failure and took responsibility for it, he won the support of the American people. His approval rating jumped to 82%. He rallied. History, and his administration, went on.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: bashing; bush; carter; clintoon
Does Mr. Clinton talk about Iraq and Osama so much because he is trying to hide in plain sight his own failures? YES!
1 posted on 02/24/2003 12:29:00 PM PST by cody32127
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Clintoon and Carter are idiots. Comparing them to real Prewidents of the U.S. is the first mistake. Klintoon is a greaser thug and Carter never did anything right.
2 posted on 02/24/2003 12:32:42 PM PST by 1Old Pro
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Already posted twice today: here and here.
3 posted on 02/24/2003 12:33:34 PM PST by occam's chainsaw (Support your local Border Patrol)
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To: 1Old Pro
Klintoon is a greaser thug ...

Greaser in the classic 1950's sense or in the Mexican sense?

4 posted on 02/24/2003 12:34:45 PM PST by templar
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To: templar
Whatever is worse
5 posted on 02/24/2003 12:46:14 PM PST by 1Old Pro
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But if they [Carter & Clinton] cannot offer unity, couldn't they offer discretion?

Excellent essay.

6 posted on 02/24/2003 12:46:53 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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From Eisenhower a verbal smack. "That is exactly the opposite of what would really happen.

This is the failure of the Democrat's policies. Their congenital inability to see the contradictions in their own perceptions of the world. The French (yeah, I know) writer and philosopher St. Exupery based is philosophy on the precept that humans, especially the supposed "intellectuals", cannot comprehend a paradox they were not taught. By the time they "wrap their mind around" the "counterintuitive", it is too late.

Carter and Clinton, as well as France and Germany are exhibiting this same lack of comprehending the constant paradox in world affairs.

If these two Bozo's have anything to say, they should say it in the Oval Office (metaphorically) and shut up. But then, they are Democrats.

7 posted on 02/24/2003 12:48:50 PM PST by elbucko ("No matter where you go, there you are."....... Buckaroo Banzai)
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Make that here and here!
8 posted on 02/24/2003 12:50:14 PM PST by occam's chainsaw (Support your local Border Patrol)
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Whatever is worse

Well, one denotes a West Side Story type of character and the other is a racial slur. The term is used both ways by different people. I suppose there may be different views as to which is worse, and for different reasons.

9 posted on 02/24/2003 12:51:26 PM PST by templar
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