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U.S. manufacturers are closing up shop and taking their businesses to Asia
The Sarasota Herald-Tribune ^ | February 24, 2003 | MICHAEL BRAGA

Posted on 02/24/2003 1:38:02 PM PST by Willie Green

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To: Gunslingr3
The people trying to stymy this process can see 300 jobs 'lost' from a plant closing in one location, but they can't see the thousands or millions who benefit from lower prices, in addition to the people who 'found' the 'lost' jobs, so for them this is always a pernicious development.

So, are you suggesting that all of the 2 million people that lost manufacturing jobs in the last two years have found other work?

201 posted on 02/25/2003 10:46:00 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Protagoras
Of course you do a fine job of misrepresenting your protectionist views all by yourself.

If by "protectionist" you mean that I favor self-reliant domestic industry over foreign sources of production, that is true. I'm a staunch America First! advocate.

If by "protectionist" you mean that I advocate targetted tariffs that favor one American business or industry over another, you are dead wrong.

So I wish to protect America's industrial infrastructure, an infrastruction that Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Kruschev, Mao, etc. etc. could only dream of destroying. That's fine by me, I'm quite proud of that.

Your use of "protectionism" as a slur is despicable.
I'll include you among those myopic lemmings and prostitutes who are willing to sacrifice our long term economic stability and National Security for cheap consumer trinkets.

202 posted on 02/25/2003 10:47:33 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Gunslingr3
Isn't comparative advantage optimizing the production of goods and services by recognizing some locations have better access to the required production components...

I wonder in this case if the "better access to production components" isn't really China artificially devaluing their currency.

203 posted on 02/25/2003 10:48:27 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Zack Nguyen
That is huge! 2 million jobs in 2 years? Is that number accurate?

From the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

Well, if the current figure is only 16.5 million, it goes off the bottom of the chart.

And the dumb idiots wonder why interest rate and tax cuts aren't producing an economic stimulus!

204 posted on 02/25/2003 11:01:21 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
I'll include you among those myopic lemmings and prostitutes who are willing to sacrifice our long term economic stability and National Security for cheap consumer trinkets.

Sure we have problems, but making our cheap trinkets into expensive ones is not the way to fix those problems.

205 posted on 02/25/2003 11:10:21 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Willie Green
If by "protectionist" you mean that I favor self-reliant domestic industry over foreign sources of production, that is true. I'm a staunch America First! advocate.

You favor government control over the right of free trade among men. That is what the above says.

America first! LOL, the last hiding place of tyrants is false patriotism. The people who founded this country would be repulsed by you telling them at gunpoint that they could only buy goods from certain people.

I'll include you among those myopic lemmings and prostitutes who are willing to sacrifice our long term economic stability and National Security for cheap consumer trinkets.

More personal attacks in lieu of response to the issues.

And when do things change from cheap trinkets to consumer goods? When they are made inside US borders? LOL, clothing and other goods as cheap trinkets, as if it were any of your business what people value more than their own money.

Your ideas are on the ash heap, with your hero.

206 posted on 02/25/2003 11:12:39 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Willie Green
Your use of "protectionism" as a slur is despicable.

Your use of all the names you have called anyone who disagrees with you is despicable.

207 posted on 02/25/2003 11:14:07 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Sure we have problems, but making our cheap trinkets into expensive ones is not the way to fix those problems.

So your "solution" is to collapse America's industrial infrastructure to Third World conditions. That's the most ignorant and despicable approach imaginable.

208 posted on 02/25/2003 11:14:40 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Protagoras
Your use of all the names you have called anyone who disagrees with you is despicable.

Calling a spade a spade.

209 posted on 02/25/2003 11:16:55 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
U.S. manufacturers are closing up shop and taking their businesses to Asia

Duh, my UAW union thug dad has been whining about this for 30 years. Meanwhile we have only 6 percent unemployment during a "huge depression" according to the liberal media. This country is so rich it's a sin.

210 posted on 02/25/2003 11:18:02 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: Willie Green
How worried were you about Japan in the 80's? Are you still worried? Their economy is much more export dependent and much less service dependent than ours.

They do what you suggest we do. Why isn't it working?

211 posted on 02/25/2003 11:25:08 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot
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To: Willie Green
Calling a spade a spade.

Me too, but I stuck to the ideas because that is the topic, you name called because you had no other way to present your points.

212 posted on 02/25/2003 11:29:18 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: biblewonk
This country is so rich it's a sin.

Kofi Annan talking point.
Could've been uttered by Hillary Klinton as well.
"America is too rich. Americans are lazy.
Americans need to share their wealth with the rest of the world.
America is sinful and evil.
America needs to be dropped to its knees."

biblewonk = Hate America First!

213 posted on 02/25/2003 11:31:15 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
biblewonk = Hate America First!

You're blathering, again.

214 posted on 02/25/2003 11:38:29 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: biblewonk; Willie Green
I love when you two guys go at it. LOL

Now if we can only get CJ and KC to go after each other, all would be right with the world. :^}

215 posted on 02/25/2003 11:41:43 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Protagoras; lewislynn
you name called because you had no other way to present your points.

My points have always been based on sound, fundamental principles of economics.

You can witness this on the following thread I authored almost 3 years ago: A Proposal to Abolish the Corporate Income Tax

On that same thread, you can also witness the same swarm of NRST flying monkeys ignore the points I made and simply spam the thread with their NRST Uber Alles extremism.
Furthermore, you can witness the ad hominem attacks they initiate against those who disagree (refer to the NRST shill "pigdog" and his attack agains both lewislynn and myself)

Ad hominem attacks are a characteristic of NRST advocates.
Their presence on this forum constitutes a severe obstruction to any intelligent discussion of tax related issues.

216 posted on 02/25/2003 11:53:24 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
LOL, three year old threads as justification for attacks on this thread is high comedy.

I didn't call you names on the three year old thread or this one but your sure called me names.

Your sound principles of economics are on the ash heap of history. Trade wars and high tariffs are nothing but populist nonsense designed to rouse up the uneducated. Restricting free trade is anthema to free societies. Which you seem to be opposed to in anycase.

217 posted on 02/25/2003 12:00:14 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Protagoras
LOL, three year old threads as justification for attacks on this thread is high comedy.

Pick any tax thread that has ever been posted on this forum.
It doesn't matter what kind of national tax, Sales Tax, Income Tax, VAT, Flat Tax, Tariffs, etc. etc. etc.
If the NRST shills are present on the thread, their modus operendi is always the same: attack, belittle and degrade anybody who dares to disagree with their position. If you fail to swallow their assertions lock, stock and barrel, you WILL be smeared as "ignorant", "uninformed", "stupid", "marxist" and descending to even more crude vulgarities.

If you truly wish intelligent discussion of tax issues, including objective comparison of the different ramifications of various modes of taxation, you'll have to find another forum. The NRST extremists have rendered this forum absolutely useless for such discussion.

218 posted on 02/25/2003 12:25:29 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
Anyone who came to this forum to learn about tax issues needs serious help.
219 posted on 02/25/2003 12:31:25 PM PST by Protagoras
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To: Willie Green
their modus operendi is always the same: attack, belittle and degrade anybody who dares to disagree with their position.

Kinda like your tactics on your pet issue? LOL

220 posted on 02/25/2003 12:32:37 PM PST by Protagoras
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