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Iraqi Christians in a "Sea of Muslims"
CBN ^ | By Chris Mitchell

Posted on 02/25/2003 12:48:41 PM PST by Happy2BMe

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Iraqi Christians in a "Sea of Muslims"

By Chris Mitchell
For CWNews

If the west begins a war to overthrow Saddam Hussein, will Muslims in Iraq turn on their Christian neighbors? What will become of them in a post-Saddam world?


CBN.com –Americans say their war on terror is not a war against Islam. But some Muslims disagree; they see this present conflict as an epic struggle of Islam versus Christianity.

This is why many of the 660,000 Christians still living in Iraq are nervous.

If the west begins a war to overthrow Saddam Hussein, will Muslims in Iraq turn on their Christian neighbors? What will become of them in a post-Saddam world?

Pretty much everyone lives in fear in Iraq today. So in the televised story we hid the faces of many of the Christians.

Terry Law is a minister who was in Iraq just a month ago, bringing food to poor believers and medical aid to cash-strapped hospitals. He says fear of Saddam Hussein is absolute.

Law said, about pictures of Saddam seen everywhere in Iraq, "This ominous face and eyes are watching you everywhere you go, and there's a terror and absolute fear in the nation of their leader."

Law found Iraqis were afraid to speak openly, even in their own front rooms.

Law asked, "Would you say there's a lot of fear?" An Iraqi Lady dared to say, "We can't talk about it." She moved her hand across her mouth. "We have to keep quiet," she said.

Law related, "I was in the privacy of Christian homes, trying to encourage them to say something about their leadership. They said, 'No. We've told our children don't say anything political. You go to school and make a political statement, they'll come to our home and kill us'."

This daily fear is what the Christians of Iraq-many of them Assyrians, not Arabs-have been reduced to.

Ken Joseph is an Assyrian; who now lives in Japan. He says his people were once proud rulers of an ancient empire that stretched across the Middle East.

Joseph added, "The Assyrians were the people Jonah went to."

He also pointed out, "It was those same Assyrians that were the first major people group, eventually country, to accept the Gospel. And then beyond that, the Assyrians were the largest missionary movement in the past.

John Nimrod is Director of the Assyrian Universal Alliance. He says his Christian people now face and have faced centuries of persecution in the land they once ruled. Nimrod told us, "We are the 'American Indians' of Iraq." He says the Assyrians are now second-class citizens in their own homeland.

Joseph concurred, "The Christians are in a particularly precarious position because you have a 'sea of Muslims' and a small, tiny group of Christians with no one to protect them."

Joseph's own grandparents had to flee from Iraq, in 1919, to survive a massacre of Assyrians by the Muslim Kurds. Muslim Kurds share-and covet-the land around what was Nineveh.

Nimrod said, "First of all, we're discriminated against because we are Christians. Secondly, we are discriminated against because we are pro-West."

Joseph added that, "The Christians have always been seen as agents of the West, because they were Christians. Previously, Iraq was governed by the British. It was the Assyrians who aligned with the British. So once the British were gone, the Assyrians were put at the mercy of the government that ensued."

Tragically, widespread slaughter followed, and present-day Assyrians are concerned lest it happen again.

Law explained, "I think the concern they have is a fundamentalist [Muslim] regime succeeding Saddam Hussein and becoming a lot more like, say Iran across the border one way, or Saudi Arabia across the border another way."

So Iraq's Christians live in fear today. But they fear the future, too-worried they may lose what religious freedom they have now. That little bit of freedom is due to something hard to believe: Saddam-for all his evil-hasn't discriminated much against Christianity.

Joseph further explained, "Iraq is unique in the Middle East, in that it is one of the few countries that have a secular government. Most of the other countries have these very strict Islamic governments."

Law agrees. "Saddam's regime, strangely enough, has been relatively moderate in dealing with Christianity and allowing Christians freedom."

But, the fundamentalist Muslim regimes surrounding Iraq have chased out most of their Christians.

Because of Iraq's tendency not to discriminate as much, if there's anywhere that could nourish a homeland for Christians in the Middle East, it could well be Iraq.

Joseph said, "The dream of the Assyrians is to have their country back, or at least some measure of autonomy, so that Christians throughout the world who have been scattered, and would like to return, would feel confident enough to return back again."

To get to that day, the people of Iraq may well have to go through another war.

Law told us, "Everywhere I went people said 'when are you going to bomb us?'

Families Law met described their terror as, during the last Gulf War, bombs crashed around them. An Iraqi Lady said, "All the windows were broken."
Law said, "The children were screaming. She said 'to this day those children have memories of the bombing and it traumatized them'."

But Salam, an Iraqi Christian we met in Israel said, "War may be a necessity."
Salam added, "It's the only way to force Iraq to listen…. So, yes, I believe the United Nations or America should go into Iraq and help the Iraqi people."

So, there is hope. An Iraqi Lady said, "What is going to happen? It's God's will."

Law explained, "They don't want the drama and the trauma of an attack, but at the same time they are desperate to remove the current regime."

So, worried about war, but hungry for freedom, the Assyrians and other Iraqi Christians are desperate to get fellow believers praying for them. Joseph pled, "Please pray for the Christians in Iraq."

Salam said, "My message to every Christian, to people, all Christians around the world: please pray for us, because we need your prayers. " He further said,
"They should not depend on their weapons or their army or their strength. They should depend on Jesus, the truth, and power through their praying."

Joseph added a different perspective when he said, "God could use this terrible situation not only as a way to bring the Christians back to the Middle East, but to bring Revival to the oldest church in the world."



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Christians in Iraq stand to suffer the most from any regime change in that country. As evil as Saddam is, he holds back horrendous religious persecution to Christians in that country.
1 posted on 02/25/2003 12:48:41 PM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: Happy2BMe
I just don't believe it.
2 posted on 02/25/2003 12:50:02 PM PST by mabelkitty
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To: mabelkitty
You posted your response less than fifteen seconds after the article was posted.

Apparently you are a gifted speed reader.

As such, which part of it do you find unbelieveable?

3 posted on 02/25/2003 12:52:15 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: Happy2BMe
I almost never remember to pray for the Christians of Iraq, North Korea, China, Iran, etc...(i.e. countries that we don't particularly care for.) I'm adding to my prayer list--thanks for the post.
4 posted on 02/25/2003 1:05:49 PM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem)
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To: Happy2BMe
BS, Saddass will kill whomever he wants for any and one reason at all. Regime change and Christian persecution are not linked in any way. Maybe he'll shoot Tariq Azziz! I'll buy the bullet.
5 posted on 02/25/2003 1:10:53 PM PST by STD
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Christians in Iraq stand to suffer the most from any regime change in that country. As evil as Saddam is, he holds back horrendous religious persecution to Christians in that country.

I don't see how you can reach that conclusion. It's a very interesting article, but I don't understand what you're saying. Are you saying that the terror that Iraqi Christians live under is better than what they might have if the USA removes Sadaam?

6 posted on 02/25/2003 1:12:30 PM PST by Theo
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"Are you saying that the terror that Iraqi Christians live under is better than what they might have if the USA removes Sadaam?"

The terror that Iraqi Christians live under while Saddam is in power is not expected to be any worse than the religious persecution they will encounter once the restraining power of regime no longer holds back the persecutions.

Both are evil, neither is good.

7 posted on 02/25/2003 1:17:48 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: mabelkitty
mabelkitty signed up 2003-01-29.

Welcome to Free Republic...

8 posted on 02/25/2003 1:18:59 PM PST by COBOL2Java
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To: Happy2BMe
Salam said, "My message to every Christian, to people, all Christians around the world: please pray for us, because we need your prayers. " He further said, "They should not depend on their weapons or their army or their strength. They should depend on Jesus, the truth, and power through their praying."

Amen.

Prayer bump.
10 posted on 02/25/2003 1:55:38 PM PST by k2blader
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"Christians in Iraq stand to suffer the most from any regime change in that country. As evil as Saddam is, he holds back horrendous religious persecution to Christians in that country"


Saddam holds back his persecution until they step out of line. I don't think he has any great love for them and it's obvious they are afraid of him so it would make more sense to rid Iraq of Saddam if not just for the Christian population but the Muslim population as well. I know some Christians feel afraid even with a Saddam free Iraq but I tend to think the muslims who hate Saddam and the Christians who hate Saddam have that in common and hopefully they can move on with a better understanding of one another.
11 posted on 02/25/2003 2:18:58 PM PST by Arpege92
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Frankly, I'm amazed that Christians are allowed to exist in Iraq, at all.
12 posted on 02/25/2003 2:55:42 PM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: Happy2BMe
thanks for the article, it reminds me to pray for our Christian brothers and sister in a land occupied by the "religion of peace",(convert or die)
13 posted on 02/25/2003 3:15:18 PM PST by apackof2 (You shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you Free.. John 8:32)
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"Frankly, I'm amazed that Christians are allowed to exist in Iraq, at all."

I don't know any Iraqi Christians personally, but from doing some research, they are given Christmas Day as a legal holiday in Iraq and enjoy more individual liberty than Christians living in other Arab countries of the region.

14 posted on 02/25/2003 3:17:39 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: Happy2BMe
enjoy more individual liberty than Christians living in other Arab countries of the region.

I guess I'm discovering I know less and less about these people all the time. Saddam is one of the most oppressive people on earth, yet he allows some degree of religious freedom. Maybe Saddam isn't as wedded to Islam as, for example, the Saudi hierarchy.

15 posted on 02/25/2003 3:23:10 PM PST by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
Definitely not.
16 posted on 02/25/2003 3:31:10 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: hoosierskypilot
"Maybe Saddam isn't as wedded to Islam as, for example, the Saudi hierarchy."

Saddam gives a "nod" to Islam and uses it in his manipulations of Iraqis as it benefits his regime - he is quite secular in lifestyle and living standards (watches American moveies, etc.)

He is often referred to as an "infidel" himself by neighboring Iranian and Saudi Muslims.

17 posted on 02/25/2003 3:32:30 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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Don't be amazed. The two Muslim countries in which Christians face the least religious persecution are Syria and Iraq. Why? Because their regimes are offically secular, following the Ba'athist ideology, which was explicitly constructed to be a modernizing secular pan-Arabist movement including all Arabs, whether Muslim, Christian or nonbelieving. Moreover, in both countries, the ruling class are drawn from a minority sect of Islam. Hussein's inner circle are Sunnis, while the majority of Iraqis are Shi'ites. Assad's inner circle are Alawites, a curious semi-Christian sect of Shi'a Islam (they celebrate many Christian holidays, have a sort of Eucharist which is supposed to be the blood of Ali, Mohammed's son-in-law whom all Shi'ite regard as his legitimate successor rather than the caliphs) while the majority of Syrians are Sunnis.

Both regimes are therefore strengthened by extending tolerance to other religious minorities, Christians included, who back them in part because of fear of religious persecution by the majority sect if the regime comes undone.

Tariq Aziz is a Chaldean Rite Roman Catholic: he and his priest and bishop are in communion with Rome, but use an order of worship more-or-less identical to the Nestorian "Church of the East" to which the Assyrians traditionally belonged. I believe most Iraqi Christians are still Nestorians.

18 posted on 02/25/2003 4:31:04 PM PST by The_Reader_David
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Thank you Reader_David - fascinating.

At any rate, in the event of the Hussein regime falling, it will be extremely dangerous times for the Christians in Iraq.

No doubt, this factor is included in the "police action" planning that will follow the aftermath of Saddam.

In-fighting between Muslims is a historical fact. So is persecution of Christians by Islam (and vice-versa).

19 posted on 02/25/2003 5:29:38 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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Sounds to me like the Christians in Iraq are better off than Christians in most Islamic states, but not any better off than any other Iraqis. That they get to live as well as all the other cattle in the slaughterhouse is a funny reason for suggesting that Saddam has been good for Iraqi Christians.

No one in this interview says that they want Saddam to stay in power, and their unwillingness to answer suggests that they don't. If they supported him, they surely wouldn't have to be afraid to say so. The only person who takes a definite position says that the UN and the US ought to take Saddam out.

It seems to me that these people are saying two things: "War is really horrible" and "It would be even worse for us under Islamists." These are undoubted truths.

But there is no reason to think that very many people in Iraq want an Islamist regime. The most important thing that happened in the Iran-Iraq war is that the dog didn't bark - the Iraqi Shia did not take the side of the Islamic Republic. They viewed themselves as Iraqis fighting Persian foreigners, not Shia being liberated by their Shi'ite brothers. From what I read the large majority of the Iraqi Shia are still not particularly taken with the crazy Persians across the border. The mullahs have agents and groups working for them among the Shia, but I have not heard that they add up to any kind of mass movement.

The situation with the Shia in Iraq is dangerous, but not because of an immediate Islamist threat: it's just always dangerous when a majority of the population is treated like animals for many, many years by a minority. The best way to diffuse that threat is to help Iraq develop a federal republic that treats the Shia like people.

So the idea that Iraq's Christians are threatened by a torrent of virulent Islamism, with Little Saddam alone keeping his finger in the dyke, is entirely misleading. I don't blame the interviewees for worrying about it, however, and we certainly don't want to blow the post-war reconstruction so badly that we actually generate Shia Islamism (i.e., don't let the State Department and the CIA run it).

I conclude from this article that what we can do for the Iraqi Christians is (a) pray for them; (b) be immensely careful about civilian casualties (which we are going to do anyway); (c) don't do something irredeemably stupid after the war; but (d) by all means take out the evil man and the evil regime which force Christian Iraqis and Kurdish Iraqis and Shi'ite Iraqis and Sunni Iraqis and Turkmen Iraqis, all of them, to live in the state of constant pitiful fear depicted in this interview.

20 posted on 02/25/2003 6:01:50 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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