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To: GOPcapitalist
The speech is transcribed in its entirity from beginning to end. The context is all there, as are the page numbers if you wish to independently verify it.

I did, and only part of the speech is there. The dialogue between Senator Clingman and Senator Simmons actually begins on page 1474 and Senator Clingman is not complaining about the tariff, he is disputing Senator Simmons' claim that the new tariff will yield over $100 million in annual revenue. Senator Simmons maintains that since so little of the tariff is collected in southern ports that his estimates are correct. Senator Clingman says that the senator from Rhode Island is overlooking imports landed in Northern ports and destined to be shipped south, which he puts at $150 million per year. Since Senator Clingman provides no support for his claim it's impossible to take them seriously, any more than you can accept Senator Simmons' estimates. Regardless Senator Clingman is not threatening secession over the tariff, he is not saying that secession was the reason why seven states seceded, he is merely questioning the revenue estimates of Senator Simmons. Like I said, the whole thing taken totally out of context.

88 posted on 02/27/2003 4:35:10 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
I did, and only part of the speech is there. The dialogue between Senator Clingman and Senator Simmons actually begins on page 1474

It looks to me as if the dialogue immediately preceding the speech is between Simmons and James Mason of Virginia.

and Senator Clingman is not complaining about the tariff, he is disputing Senator Simmons' claim that the new tariff will yield over $100 million in annual revenue

Which is a complaint about the tariff, or exactly what you said he was not doing. Senator Simmons maintains that since so little of the tariff is collected in southern ports that his estimates are correct. Senator Clingman says that the senator from Rhode Island is overlooking imports landed in Northern ports and destined to be shipped south, which he puts at $150 million per year. Since Senator Clingman provides no support for his claim it's impossible to take them seriously, any more than you can accept Senator Simmons' estimates.

You are free to dispute either senator's estimates all you like, but the point of the matter is their economic reasoning. As Clingman notes, exports don't magically happen for free. Something must be given in return for them, and if the south exported $220 million worth in goods, they had to get roughly that much somewhere as payment for those goods and the two sources are either monetary payment from abroad, or in the form of imports from abroad. The same would be true whether the export figures were $1 million or $500 million. As for what actually happened under the Morrill bill, trade with Europe died off almost entirely.

Regardless Senator Clingman is not threatening secession over the tariff

But he is saying that Lincoln will go to war over it.

he is not saying that secession was the reason why seven states seceded

But he is saying that Lincoln will go to war over it.

122 posted on 02/27/2003 10:35:33 AM PST by GOPcapitalist
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