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Al-Qa'eda chief betrayed by bin Laden's friend
The Daily Telegraph ^ | March 5, 2003 | Philip Smucker

Posted on 03/04/2003 5:44:03 PM PST by MadIvan

The arrested al-Qa'eda leader blamed for organising the September 11 attacks was betrayed by Mohammed Abdel-Rahman, the son of the man who ordered the first bombing of the World Trade Centre, it emerged yesterday.

Abdel-Rahman, 30, an Egyptian known to his followers as "the Lion of God", was arrested in Pakistan last month. His capture, a serious setback for al-Qa'eda, was kept secret in the hope that more would follow.

Pakistani officials said that, under duress, he had divulged information about the head of al-Qa'eda's military committee, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, with whom he had been hiding.

With intercepted mobile telephone calls and other clues, that allowed the authorities to pick up Mohammed's trail to Rawalpindi.

Last weekend about 25 Pakistani police burst into a house in a well-to-do neighbourhood of the city and arrested the man known in American intelligence circles as KSM and accused of organising the September 11 attacks.

The seizure was trumpeted as a great success in President George W Bush's war on terrorism. KSM is now being interrogated in the hope that he will reveal more al-Qa'eda plots and possibly the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden.

Abdel-Rahman's father, Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman, is known as the "blind sheikh". He is serving a life sentence in America for the 1993 trade centre attack and for a plot to blow up several New York landmarks, including the United Nations building.

Egyptian counter-terrorism experts described Abdel Rahman's arrest as a "major blow" to al-Qa'eda.

"Mohammed Abdel-Rahman had a huge role because of bin Laden's love and respect for his father," said Hala Mustafa, a counter-terrorism analyst with the Al Ahram centre for strategic studies in Cairo. "He was close to bin Laden and was engaged in planning key operations."

Abdel-Rahman ran terrorist training camps for bin Laden in Afghanistan and fought with the al-Qa'eda chief at the battle for the caves around Tora Bora in the mountains of northern Afghanistan in November 2001.

Like bin Laden, he slipped over the border into Pakistan as US marines and their Afghan allies prepared for their final assault on his hideaway.

Ahmad Abdel-Rahman, another son of the blind sheikh, was captured in late 2001 in Afghanistan by anti-Taliban forces and placed in American custody.

One of them, Sheikh Mohammed Al Hasan al-Moayyed, a prominent Yemeni cleric, is believed to be bin Laden's "spiritual adviser".


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abdelrahman; alhasanalmoayyed; alqaeda; blair; bush; khalid; mohammed; uk; us
Hmmm.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 03/04/2003 5:44:04 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Mr. Mulliner; Semper911; Bubbette; Kip Lange; dixiechick2000; UofORepublican; kayak; ...
Bump!
2 posted on 03/04/2003 5:44:33 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: MadIvan
BTTT.


3 posted on 03/04/2003 5:49:10 PM PST by rs79bm
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To: MadIvan
Amusing to see them rat out each other.
4 posted on 03/04/2003 6:00:46 PM PST by happygrl
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To: happygrl
bump
5 posted on 03/04/2003 6:02:11 PM PST by Sacajaweau (Hillary: Constitutional Scholar! NOT)
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To: Sacajaweau
I just love it when they rat like this. Imagine how it feels to read this if you are one of Binny's boys,,tee hee. The sheik will sing. BTW how does one get to be a Sheik? What does that mean, being a sheik?
6 posted on 03/04/2003 6:11:41 PM PST by cajungirl
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
fyi
7 posted on 03/04/2003 6:12:04 PM PST by Free the USA (Stooge for the Rich)
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To: happygrl
YES IT IS!!!!
8 posted on 03/04/2003 6:19:14 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: Arpege92
This cant be true. Torture never works....
9 posted on 03/04/2003 6:20:23 PM PST by fooman (Free NASA! Save NASA!)
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To: MadIvan
Bump! Seems the "brave" camel-humpers can't take what they dish out to women, children, and other innocents. Hey boys, they're coming to take you away.
10 posted on 03/04/2003 6:20:31 PM PST by Cautor
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To: MadIvan
Apparently Allah wills these bastards to be humiliated by the infidel. Strange are the ways of Allah.
11 posted on 03/04/2003 6:23:37 PM PST by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: MadIvan
Its good to have the master key.
12 posted on 03/04/2003 6:38:29 PM PST by TBall
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To: Urbane_Guerilla
Do you suppose KSM was trying to recruit 'virgins' when he frequented the brothels and bars? A real devotee of fundamentalist Islam, eh? In the end, these demons are just blood-thirsty criminals and the people who immortalize them are dumb as posts, blind to the facts, filled with envy and hatred. 'Long live Islam' they are worthy of its name.
13 posted on 03/04/2003 6:40:38 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MadIvan
Abdel-Rahman, 30, an Egyptian known to his followers as "the Lion of God"...

These Sand Nazi vermin have serious delusions of grandeur complexes.

14 posted on 03/04/2003 6:50:57 PM PST by AF68
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To: Coop
BTTT
15 posted on 03/04/2003 7:16:50 PM PST by Coop
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To: MadIvan
Like bin Laden, he slipped over the border into Pakistan as US marines and their Afghan allies prepared for their final assault on his hideaway.

"Uh, let's drop in the bin Laden line, keep that disinfo going..."

One of them, Sheikh Mohammed Al Hasan al-Moayyed, a prominent Yemeni cleric, is believed to be bin Laden's "spiritual adviser".

I think bin Laden's spiritual advisor these days has horns and a pointy tail...

16 posted on 03/04/2003 7:22:52 PM PST by IncPen
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To: BartMan1
Masterful disinformation ping... (doesn't matter if it's true... it works either way)
17 posted on 03/04/2003 7:23:49 PM PST by IncPen
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To: cajungirl
>>BTW how does one get to be a Sheik? What does that mean, being a sheik? <<

One gets to be shaiken, not stirred.

18 posted on 03/04/2003 7:27:05 PM PST by Leo Carpathian
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To: cajungirl
Sheik = the chief of an Arab tribe, village or family.
19 posted on 03/04/2003 7:30:26 PM PST by Paulus Invictus (Coke make)
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To: MadIvan; Dog
INTERVIEW WITH AN AL QAEDA MEMBER
Freeper research ^ | Dec 10,2001 | Scott Baldauf

Posted on 03/02/2003 4:03 PM EST by Dog

INTERVIEW WITH AN AL QAEDA MEMBER

 

On December 10, 2001, the Christian Science Monitor published an interview by Scott Baldauf with a member of the Al Qaeda network.

A conversation with an Al Qaeda true believer

By Scott Baldauf | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

QUETTA, PAKISTAN

The interview, like the US war here, did not start well.

 

"I will say just one word to you: Get out of my face, now!" says Abdul Rehman, an Arab Taliban fighter, from his hospital bed here. Injured last week during the air attacks on Kandahar, Afghanistan, his tone is matter-of-fact, his English near-perfect.

 

"I hate you; you are my enemy. There is only one conversation between me and you. This is a war conversation, a killing conversation, and you started this war."

 

Then, in a breath, he changes from warrior to evangelist.

 

"I have a big faith, that if you read and know what is Islam, real Islam, you will change your religion."

 

Mr. Rehman's hatred laced with zeal is a chilling reminder that the threat from Al Qaeda operatives won't necessarily disappear with the US military victories in Afghanistan. Rehman and four other Arab and Sudanese fighters are under Pakistani police custody. But the vast majority of the thousands of Arab fighters and their leaders, including Osama bin Laden, remain at large. Afghan warlords say some Arabs have fled with their weapons to cave complexes to carry on guerrilla war against Afghanistan's new rulers, and some have fled to neighboring Pakistan in hopes of finding a haven elsewhere. Their continued presence in the region could remain a threat to any future Afghan government, and will certainly be the unfinished business of America's war on terrorism.

 

"As you know, Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar are the real cause of the destruction of Afghanistan," says Tawakal Ishakzai, a tribal elder for the small Ishakzai tribe of Pashtuns. "If they are arrested and given to the Americans, we will support that, because this will bring real peace and reconciliation to Afghanistan."

 

At present, victory on the battlefield by anti-Taliban forces has brought few signs of the whereabouts of Mr. bin Laden's Al Qaeda terrorist network. Bin Laden himself is thought to be in a cave and tunnel complex in eastern Afghanistan called Tora Bora, where anti-Taliban leaders are currently mounting an offensive. Local Afghans say that as many as 10 Al Qaeda leaders have been killed during heavy US bombing of Tora Bora over the past two weeks, although there is no independent confirmation.

 

In separate interviews, Rehman, the injured Egyptian fighter, confirms to reporters that bin Laden's third-in-command, Egyptian radical Abu Hafz, died in the air assault on Kandahar's airport. This confirmation indicates that Rehman is likely a member of Al Qaeda himself.

 

Propped up in his hospital bed and dressed in a dark blue Afghan salwar kameez, Rehman looks like many of the devout Muslims who support the Taliban cause in Afghanistan. A long, black beard extends to his chest. His forehead bears a brownish mark, the sign of many years of brushing his head against the ground five times a day in prayer. The one remaining sign of his militant belief is a cast on his leg. Doctors say the leg is beyond repair and will have to be amputated.

 

Rehman initially refuses to tell reporters gathered in his room anything, not even his name or country of origin. His name is written on his medical chart, however. And while he told Pakistani police his birthplace was the United Arab Emirates, Arab reporters say he speaks with a distinct Egyptian accent.

 

After an initial bout of hostility, and demands that one American reporter be thrown out for taking his picture, the Arab fighter ends up giving a patient description of his Islamist beliefs.

 

"I am a slave of Allah," he says. (The name Abdul Rehman is Arabic for "slave of the merciful one.") "Allah orders me to do one thing, and not to do some other things. I'm just obeying him. This is Islam. But in your religion, it is different. You have democracy. Because democracy says 'We control ourselves, we will follow ourselves only, without asking what comes from Allah. We know better than Him.'"

 

"So the struggle between you and me is cultural," he adds. "The fight will continue." Where? A reporter asks. "Everywhere. God willing, it will be inside your country."

 

Rehman says Muslims could not have committed the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, because Islam forbids killing civilians in times of war. "The people who were killed in the World Trade Center, most of them are civilians, but we did not kill civilians," he says. "I want for [President] Bush to show me the proof that Muslims did this."

 

He then amends his denial. "We did not kill civilians, but if civilians come to attack us, we will attack them," he says. "I don't like to kill people, and I don't like to see blood. But if you have a gun and try to kill our people, what is my option?"

 

Similarly, Rehman appears stunned upon hearing the news that Mullah Muhammad Omar, the supreme Taliban leader, has surrendered the city of Kandahar. "I don't believe this; I am sure this has not happened," he says, sitting up suddenly. Similarly, he denies that US troops could have set up a base south of the city. "American movies, like Mr. Rambo, these movies affect too much the American mind," he warns. "They try to say to everybody, 'We have the power to do anything. If you hide anyplace in the world, we are seeing you.' The Taliban will never give up. They are fighting until the death."

 

Rehman, a husband and father of four children, admits that he didn't start out as a religious zealot. In fact, as a young man, he learned English and planned to travel to America to enjoy "a beautiful life there." But current events in the Middle East prompted Rehman to turn to books, including Western history books, and he came away from this education with a feeling that Western civilization aimed to destroy Islamic culture and to kill Muslim people, from Afghanistan to Kashmir, and from Chechnya to the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

 

"I began to ask, why are all these Muslims killed, and why are the Christians always ending up on top?" he says. "I started to study and to ask, and I discovered that your culture was built on blood."

 

Rehman says he has no intention of returning to Egypt, where authorities would undoubtedly jail him for his radical Islamist activities. He does not know what he will do next. "My country is wherever there is Islam," he says. "I belong to Islam; I don't belong to the land."

 


20 posted on 03/04/2003 7:33:18 PM PST by dennisw ( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: IncPen
as well as a masterful way for the USGov't to get out of paying the snitch reward ;-)
21 posted on 03/04/2003 7:35:24 PM PST by DontMessWithMyCountry (It's serious business being an American in America these days.)
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To: MadIvan
bttt
22 posted on 03/04/2003 7:39:11 PM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: MadIvan
I hope and pray this is disinformation ... this guy is one of THEM who fought with them at Tora Bora and giving him blood money stinks to high heaven.
23 posted on 03/04/2003 7:47:30 PM PST by WOSG (Liberate Iraq!!)
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To: Cautor
Bump! Seems the "brave" camel-humpers can't take what they dish out to women, children, and other innocents. Hey boys, they're coming to take you away.

Yep, all their boasting about martyrdom, blah, blah, blah... They're REAL tough when it comes to slitting the throats of stewardesses but sure do give up quickly when the FBI/CIA knocks on their door. I heard a rumor the France is considering giving Bin-Al-Shibh, Khaled, and Abdel-Rahman honorary citizenships.

24 posted on 03/04/2003 7:47:42 PM PST by mikegi
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To: AF68
These Sand Nazi...lol, I love it.
25 posted on 03/04/2003 8:03:43 PM PST by redheadtoo
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To: MadIvan
Pakistani officials said that, under duress, he had divulged information

hehehehehe

26 posted on 03/04/2003 8:07:52 PM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: MadIvan
bump
27 posted on 03/04/2003 9:00:05 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: IncPen
How would we benefit from the world thinking Osama's alive if he's really dead?

I think bin Laden's spiritual advisor these days has horns and a pointy tail...

28 posted on 03/04/2003 9:03:35 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: IncPen
How would we benefit from the world thinking Osama's alive if he's really dead?

I think bin Laden's spiritual advisor these days has horns and a pointy tail...

29 posted on 03/04/2003 9:03:36 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: MadIvan
[Pakistani officials said that, under duress, he had divulged information about the head of al-Qa'eda's military committee, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, with whom he had been hiding.]

I for one hope they refused all requests to re-attach his gonads.

30 posted on 03/04/2003 9:25:50 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: GOPJ
How would we benefit from the world thinking Osama's alive if he's really dead?

I can think of a hundred reasons, but here's a good one: If word got out that Osama was dead, the dumbocrats would say the war on terror job was done, and we should stop this costly and meaningless war.

Within three years we'd all be speaking Farsi.

Here's another: It's probably true that many of his own followers don't know his fate. The more the CIA gins up and sends out fake messages, the more traffic they foster among his followers and the better chance we have of catching them. Also, we don't have to guess what the heirarchy is as long as some think he may return (would you as a lowly follower want to usurp him?)

Osama's very alive until he's better dead, then he will be much better dead. Which may be never.

Trust me on this.

31 posted on 03/05/2003 3:45:15 AM PST by IncPen
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To: IncPen
Your answer shows great insight. The Osama story line does work for us, but why did you chose "farsi" as the language we'd be speaking?(It was an example, but did your thoughts go beyond that?)

By the way, I believe Iran would be a more formidable enemy than Iraq or any of the other middle eastern countries.

"Within three years we'd all be speaking Farsi".

32 posted on 03/05/2003 8:52:59 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: cajungirl
What does that mean, being a sheik?

I always thought it was a brand of condom!

33 posted on 03/05/2003 8:56:34 AM PST by Vinnie_Vidi_Vici
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To: GOPJ
Farsi, schmarsi.

It's all the same in the end: Islamists have a single goal of eliminating the West. Farsi was the first language that popped into my head. They won't rest until we submit to them

I thought of another bin Laden related thing...

If he's alive and we get him, then what? Try him? Where do we keep him? Which network gets to interview him first? What if H!llary just wants us to understand him? How do we stop THAT line of insanity?

Or, if he's dead, where do we bury him? How do we prevent the place from becoming a shrine? How do we prevent his remains from being stolen? What profit is there in it if we make him a martyr?

Like Hitler, history will best remember us if we have the good sense to leave future generations wondering (with a wink, no less), "What ever happened to that bin Laden fella?".
34 posted on 03/05/2003 9:03:52 AM PST by IncPen
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To: IncPen
Oh yeah, one more thing.

When you want to know the real reason for the war on Iraq (after the obvious ones), take a look at a map

You'll see why we aren't getting much support in the Arab world. From Iraq we'd have a two-front vantage on pretty much any scumbag country in the region.

And that's a beautiful thing.

35 posted on 03/05/2003 9:48:49 AM PST by IncPen
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