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Antiwar protesters trash 9/11 memorial
Whittier Daily News ^ | Tuesday, March 11, 2003 - 12:22:20 AM PST | Debbie Pfeiffer Trunnell, Staff Writer

Posted on 03/11/2003 7:36:56 AM PST by GeorgeBerryman

Antiwar protesters trash 9/11 memorial American flags burned and slashed By Debbie Pfeiffer Trunnell, Staff Writer

LA HABRA -- Antiwar protesters burned and ripped up flags, flowers and patriotic signs at a Sept. 11 memorial that residents erected on a fence along Whittier Boulevard days after the terrorist attacks in 2001 and have maintained ever since.

However, although officers witnessed the vandalism Saturday afternoon, police did not arrest three people seen damaging the display because they were "exercising the same freedom of speech that the people who put up the flags were,' La Habra Police Capt. John Rees said Monday.

"For this to be vandalism, there had to be an ill-will intent,' he said.

Rees said in order for police to take any action, the owner of the fence would have to file a complaint.

Jeff Collison, owner of The RV Center in La Habra, who has allowed residents to add patriotic symbols to the fence on his property, said he just might do that.

"Their free speech stops at destruction of private property. If they are allowed to come on my property and burn flags, does that mean I can go to City Hall or the police station and light their flags on fire because that is freedom of speech? To me, this is vandalism,' Collison said.

Some residents Monday hung signs criticizing those who destroyed the display.

Tracey Chandler, a Whittier mother of four who has maintained the spontaneous memorial since it was created by other area residents soon after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, said she was shocked by the destruction.

"They trashed 87 flags, ripped 11 memorial tiles made by myself and my children out of the ground and glued the Bob Dylan song to a sign that said, 'America, land of the brave, home of the free,' ' she said.

The Bob Dylan song she referred to is "With God on Our Side,' an antiwar anthem of the 1960s.

"It's unbelievable, because there were absolutely no political messages on this fence. It was all about supporting our troops, which could mean bringing them home, and about remembering 9-11.'

Les Howard, a sociology professor at Whittier College, said the incident might be an indication of some confusion among people trying to stop a possible war against Iraq but uncertain how to express their sentiments. However, he said he does not condone the destruction of symbols important to those who erect them.

"Some think (the best way to support the troops) is to not question their role. Some think the best way is to pursue all means possible to avoid putting them in danger,' he said. "That still does not excuse any desecration of people's symbolic participation.'

Chandler said she plans to rebuild the Sept. 11 memorial.

"We are going to rebuild this memorial, and it will be brighter, bigger and better than ever,' Chandler said.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: lahabra; memorialdesecration
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Man that's just sick. Yet these days nothing surprises me from the left.
1 posted on 03/11/2003 7:36:56 AM PST by GeorgeBerryman
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To: GeorgeBerryman; hellinahandcart; KLT; kristinn; Angelwood
This really angers me! Bastards!
2 posted on 03/11/2003 7:38:57 AM PST by sauropod (If the women can't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: GeorgeBerryman
They are just showing their true feelings: hate for America and the American people and allegiance to the terrorists.
3 posted on 03/11/2003 7:39:23 AM PST by FairOpinion
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To: GeorgeBerryman
Those jerkoffs need a good ass kicking. If I wasn't 2500 miles away, I'd even be willing to do the honors.
4 posted on 03/11/2003 7:39:47 AM PST by Dan from Michigan (Every man dies. Not every man really lives.)
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To: GeorgeBerryman; Admin Moderator
Already posted here.
5 posted on 03/11/2003 7:46:17 AM PST by steve-b
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To: GeorgeBerryman
Speech is the most primal creative process!
Destruction of property is not speech!
It is Anarchy and thereby treasoness and should be treated as such. Pistol whip the bastards, drag them into the streets and summarily execute them in front of the lot.
6 posted on 03/11/2003 7:46:57 AM PST by PaxMacian
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To: GeorgeBerryman
Man that's just sick. Yet these days nothing surprises me from the left.

These are the people who began seething two days after 9-11. They have been complaining about the flag being highjacked, the groundswell of patriotism, (which they are in the processes of redefining) and the "silly" and "divisive" references to "God Bless America".

They would have no respect for anything like this memorial. They are glad it happened.

Becki

7 posted on 03/11/2003 7:50:48 AM PST by Becki (Pray continually for our leaders and our troops!)
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To: GeorgeBerryman
"...police did not arrest three people seen damaging the display because they were "exercising the same freedom of speech that the people who put up the flags were," La Habra Police Capt. John Rees said..."

The only thing more disturbing than the actual destruction is this cop's laid-back attitude towards vandalism. I had always heard the police have nothing but contempt for the Bill of Rights, but this storm trooper equates property crimes with protected free speech.

8 posted on 03/11/2003 7:52:10 AM PST by Middle Man
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To: PaxMacian
A little extreme for the moment but...let's be sure to remember the long list of traitors and to keep our powder dry. True American's committment and resolution to defend the United States of American will not waver and will remain truthful under God...
9 posted on 03/11/2003 7:53:32 AM PST by iopscusa
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To: GeorgeBerryman
Man that's just sick. Yet these days nothing surprises me from the left.

I've been at and/or driven past probably 20-30 political protest events here in
the West Los Angeles area over the last five years.

The only time I've seen the "F-word" on a protestor's sign was at a "peace"
protest on the south end of the UCLA campus about a week ago.

I had to restrain myself from appoaching the young man holding the sign that said
"F--k Bush"
and asking if he meant that as advocating homosexual rape of the Commander-In-Chief...
or if it was just a Freudian expression of his desires for a getting close to a real man.
10 posted on 03/11/2003 7:54:52 AM PST by VOA
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To: GeorgeBerryman
"exercising the same freedom of speech that the people who put up the flags were,' La Habra Police Capt. John Rees said Monday.

Captain Rees might just be the dumbest man on the planet. This is tantamount to saying that physically gagging someone in an effort to thwart their speech is in fact speech in and of itself! By his logic, only the loudest bullhorn, or biggest sign, is entitled to "free" speech. Everyone else is out of luck.

11 posted on 03/11/2003 7:54:57 AM PST by Mr. Bird
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To: GeorgeBerryman
Would love to meet some of them in a dark alley in order to exercise my own form of free speech...
12 posted on 03/11/2003 7:55:16 AM PST by trebb
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To: sauropod
This same article got a lot of comments earlier.

However, this one is full text, which is better, IMO.
13 posted on 03/11/2003 8:05:32 AM PST by hellinahandcart (quote this!)
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To: GeorgeBerryman
The police were wrong in not acting. Vandalism took place right in front of them and they did nothing. They call destroying a make-shift memorial as freedom of speech? Since when is the destruction of someone's property freedom of speech?

Since I don't believe in being buried in the ground, I guess I can go to any cemetery I want in LaHabra, and destroy as many headstones claiming freedom of speech! Afterall, the headstones were placed there based on that same freedom of speech premise.

And before you go questioning me as to why I won't be buried in the ground, I'll tell you. As a little girl, I recall seeing an old graveyard being dug up to make way for an expressway. I remember seeing bones being bulldozed. From that day on, I vowed that I would never be placed in the ground so that my bones could be moved years later to make way for some highway or shopping mall.

14 posted on 03/11/2003 8:07:51 AM PST by mass55th
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To: GeorgeBerryman
As much as I detest this action, it's probably best that this and other things take place. Anyone sitting on fences over this will get a real eye opener from some of the actions these buttheads are perpetrating. Their true nature is becoming all but impossible to misinterpret. In the long run, that is excellent.

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15 posted on 03/11/2003 8:09:26 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Are you going Freeps Ahoy! Don't miss the boat. Er ship...)
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To: GeorgeBerryman
pepper spray the bastards

bump

16 posted on 03/11/2003 8:10:58 AM PST by rface (Ashland, Missouri)
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To: Becki
First, the liberals complain that conservatives have wrapped themselves with the flag and "co-opted" it by prominently flying it high and treating it with respect.

Then, the liberals proclaim themselves true patriots because they utilize their right of free speech to desecrate the very symbol of our freedoms.

Isn't it ironic to see them wrap themselves in what they've previously defecated on? Even my dog would know better.
17 posted on 03/11/2003 8:27:06 AM PST by Fletcher J
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To: GeorgeBerryman
Now there are some people to call in this story.

1. police did not arrest three people seen damaging the display because they were "exercising the same freedom of speech that the people who put up the flags were,' La Habra Police Capt. John Rees said Monday.

2. Rees said in order for police to take any action, the owner of the fence would have to file a complaint. Jeff Collison, owner of The RV Center in La Habra, who has allowed residents to add patriotic symbols to the fence on his property, said he just might do that.

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I just called Mr. Collison to encourage him to press charges. Be polite if you call.

18 posted on 03/11/2003 8:32:45 AM PST by MissBaby
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To: GeorgeBerryman
This is *really* over the line on *so many* levels. I was willing to bite my tongue and tolerate their ignorance, but no more!
19 posted on 03/11/2003 8:36:18 AM PST by ChadGore (Next time there's a war in Europe, the loser has to keep France.)
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To: GeorgeBerryman
LISTEN UP all you anti-war lurkers,

You may be against this war, FINE. You may even dislike the President and his Policies, FINE. But when you degrade our soldiers that are doing their job, rip up memorials that are also dedicated to them and their service, YOU ARE NOT SUPPORTING OUR (YOUR) TROOPS. If you do not like or even agree with their current "job", then vote out the people who are giving them their "current job". But to take it out on the very people that have sworn to die for you and for what this country believes in is sickening, and you should be more than just ashamed of yourselves. You ARE NOT doing anything close to supporting the military, the only thing your actions do is to remind the soldiers that their are people out there who do not put much thought onto how their actions effect other people. We view the anti-war protesters that do this, as people who are deliberately trying to bring down the morale, and do not know what it means to support the United States. Some say you don't know any better, we say we don't care. We give you alittle more credit than that, so playing "stupid" doesn't cut it for an excuse.

Signed, A SERVICE MEMBER, His wife and the entire family

P.S. -By the way, this time it won't be as easy. God help anyone that comes near a military post to treat the soldiers like they did back during Nam. A lot of us were to young to do anything about those "anti-war" (military) protesters back then, but god help you now.

< /rant>


20 posted on 03/11/2003 8:37:51 AM PST by KineticKitty (Government Philosophy = If it isn't broke, fix it till it is.)
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