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Brits Backing Out?
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Posted on 03/11/2003 3:54:00 PM PST by medscribe

Brits Backing Out?

March 11, 2003

(CBS/AP)

"What the president has said is that there is room for a little more diplomacy, but not a lot of time to do it." White House spokesman Ari Fleischer

President Bush has been working the phones ahead of a U.N. vote expected this week. (AP)

French Foreign Minister de Villepin is traveling through Africa in hopes of swinging the votes of Angola, Cameroon and Guinea to the anti-war side. (AP)

Read: • Bush Press Conference Text

• Transcript of Dan Rather/Saddam Hussein Interview

• U.S.-British 2nd Resolution Text

• French-German-Russian U.N. Memorandum Text

• Blix's Feb. 14 Progress Report

• ElBaradei's Progress Report

• E.U. Declaration On Iraq

• Text of Powell Presentation to U.N.

• Expert: Powell Presented A Strong Case

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• President Bush's State of the Union address

• Text of U.N. Iraq Resolution

• Read Joint White House-House Resolution Authorizing Use Of Force Against Iraq (.pdf)

• Bush Speech To U.N.

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• The Al Samoud Missile

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(CBS) Sources tell CBS News that Great Britain – America's closest ally – may find it politically impossible to commit its military to a U.S.-led attack on Saddam Hussein. And that could force the United States to go it alone in Iraq.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld hinted as much Tuesday.

"To the extent that they are able to participate that would obviously be welcomed. To the extent they are not, well, there are workarounds," Rumsfeld said.

War in Iraq is now supported by fewer than 20 percent of Britons, and Prime Minister Tony Blair has told Washington he needs U.N. authorization, reports CBS News Correspondent Bill Plante.

So Britain is now talking about a new amendment to the draft resolution in the Security Council that would extend the March 17 deadline by as much as another ten days and would include strictly defined disarmament benchmarks – something the U.S. has opposed in the past.

"The United Kingdom is in a negotiation and it's prepared to look at timelines and tests together," Britain's U.N. Ambassador Jeremy Greenstock said. "But I'm pretty sure we're talking about action in March, don't look beyond March."

The White House said it didn't object to the tests, but made it clear that the time is limited.

"What the president has said is that there is room for a little more diplomacy, but not a lot of time to do it. The vote will take place this week," said press secretary Ari Fleischer.

The Bush administration had talked of a vote as early as Tuesday, but with France and Russia threatening to veto the current draft resolution, and without the minimum nine "yes" votes, it held up action in the council.

Diplomats from six council nations considered swing votes – Angola, Cameroon, Chile, Guinea, Mexico and Pakistan – proposed Tuesday that Saddam be given 45 days to meet benchmarks and demonstrate that Iraq is disarming.

But that appeared out of the question for the United States and Britain.

"It's not going anywhere, there's only one resolution on the table," one U.S. official said.

Under the proposed British amendment, Saddam would have 10 days to prove Iraq has taken a "strategic decision" to disarm, which could be done with a series of tests or "benchmarks," council diplomats said.

If Iraq makes that decision, a second phase would begin with more time to verify Iraq's full disarmament, the diplomats said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Reacting to the possible British compromise, French diplomats said the resolution would still mean authorizing war, which France is unwilling to do. However, the French Foreign Ministry in Paris indicated it was open to new ideas.

"It's a new development and the future will tell us if it is a significant development," said Foreign Ministry spokesman Francois Rivasseau. "We've indicated we are open to dialogue."

Nonetheless, he stressed that the "red line" set out by France cannot be crossed: "We want no ultimatum. We want no element of automaticity. And we've said we want what the inspectors say taken into account."

Russia's U.N. Ambassador Sergey Lavrov was equally adamant.

"We see no reason whatsoever to interrupt the inspections and any resolution which contains ultimatums and which contains automaticity for the use of force is not acceptable to us," he said.

The U.S. has the support of Britain, Spain and Bulgaria, with Cameroon and Mexico reportedly leaning toward the U.S. position. But with Germany, Syria and Pakistan preparing abstentions or "no" votes, Washington is trying to appeal to Chile, Angola and Guinea.

While the diplomats debate a war with Iraq, the Pentagon pressed ahead with final preparations for waging war. On Tuesday, a new weapon was added to the mix: the biggest conventional bomb ever dropped from an airplane.

It is officially designated the Massive Ordnance Air Blast, or MOAB, although it has come to be called unofficially the Mother of All Bombs, a rough allusion to Saddam Hussein's claim before the 1991 Gulf War that that conflict would be the "mother of all battles."

The Pentagon's newest and biggest weapon had to be tested before it can be used in combat. And at 21,000 pounds it promised to cause such a massive detonation that residents around the Florida bombing range had to be warned in advance.

The speed with which the Pentagon released video of the test was clearly intended as a warning to the Iraqi military of what they might face if it comes to war, reports CBS News National Security Correspondent David Martin.

"The goal is to have the capabilities of the coalition so clear and so obvious that there's an enormous disincentive for the Iraqi military to fight," Rumsfeld said.

U.S. officials say there are already secret surrender negotiations underway with the commanders of some Iraqi military units. Rumsfeld says that before the shooting starts all Iraqi units will be given one last chance to give up.

"They will receive instructions so that they can behave in a way that will be seen and understood as being non-threatening and they will not be considered combatants," Rumsfeld said.

What effect Tuesday's bomb test will have on the Iraqi will to fight remains to be seen, but the sight of a bomb so powerful that a parachute is needed to slow its descent and give the plane which dropped it time to get away from the blast can only demoralize Iraqi troops. It might also convince them to take shelter in the cities since the U.S. could never use a weapon that powerful anywhere near civilians.

In other developments:

Iraqi fighter jets threatened two American U-2 surveillance planes, forcing them to abort their mission and return to base, U.S. officials said. A Pentagon official said the decision to end the mission was made "in the interest of safety." Iraq said the U.N. had apologized for the incident and called a "technical mistake."

A spokesman for U.N. weapons inspectors says Iraq is destroying more of those banned Al Samoud Two missiles. No word on how many, though. Inspectors also visited a Baghdad factory that makes batteries and an aviation office in a northern city. Iraq, meanwhile, says any invaders would face death.

Americans are being urged to leave Oman and the United Arab Emirates. The State Department says it's due to "heightened tensions" and "increased security concerns." The military has planes stationed in both countries prepared to attack Iraq if President Bush authorizes military action.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: britain; donaldrumsfeld; georgebush; iraq; politics; tonyblair; us; war
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Hmmm...looks like Rummy and W are giving Tony Blair political cover.
1 posted on 03/11/2003 3:54:00 PM PST by medscribe
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To: medscribe; MadIvan
And he deserves some after all the water that he has carried for us in the International Community during this process.

Unlike the Frenc we don't leave Allies twisting in the wind..

2 posted on 03/11/2003 3:57:37 PM PST by ewing
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To: medscribe
So much for Tony's Churchillian stature.

The longer we wait...the more support we will loose.

3 posted on 03/11/2003 3:58:37 PM PST by dinok
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To: medscribe
Too many liberal grandmothers in Parliment.
4 posted on 03/11/2003 3:58:43 PM PST by Bulldogs22
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To: medscribe
Blair appears to have aged 20 yrs practically overnight.

What a shameless bunch of wusses the Brits have become. We should have known from their hysterical carrying on when Diana died that they had lost all their courage and backbone.

5 posted on 03/11/2003 4:00:17 PM PST by OldFriend
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To: OldFriend; MadIvan
Blair still losing support over Iraq
By Peter Riddell and Philip Webster

Times poll shows Prime Minister is failing to make the case for war


Under pressure: Tony Blair shows the strain of the past few weeks facing questions by an audience at the Foreign Office yesterday

TONY BLAIR’s campaign to win public backing for a war on Iraq appeared to be faltering last night. The latest Populus poll for The Times showed that despite an intense campaign to drum up support, backing for the conflict was falling among Labour supporters, women and the professional middle classes.
The survey, undertaken between Friday and Sunday, underlines the huge task facing Mr Blair in winning over the public and suggests that he could not do so without a second United Nations resolution.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-606746,00.html

6 posted on 03/11/2003 4:02:05 PM PST by TLBSHOW (The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate......)
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To: OldFriend
Will there always be a Britain...stay tuned.
7 posted on 03/11/2003 4:02:25 PM PST by choicenotecho
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To: dinok
The only person in this crisis with Churchillian stature is George W Bush.
8 posted on 03/11/2003 4:02:31 PM PST by Churchillspirit
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To: medscribe
"(CBS) Sources tell CBS News that Great Britain – America's closest ally – may find it politically impossible to commit its military to a U.S.-led attack on Saddam Hussein. And that could force the United States to go it alone in Iraq..."

Since when do we trust anything out of CBS news.

9 posted on 03/11/2003 4:02:34 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: medscribe
I'm suddenly feeling quite nauseous.
10 posted on 03/11/2003 4:02:51 PM PST by ellery
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To: medscribe
What are these armnament benchmarks that they want?

Saddam is already building more Al Samoud missiles and exchanging old engine parts on the ones he is detroying..

11 posted on 03/11/2003 4:02:57 PM PST by ewing
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To: TLBSHOW
The data is more complex than what you're making it out to be - from that article:

About a half the public (52 per cent) agrees that Britain should join military action only if there is a new UN resolution. This compares with 62 per cent a month ago. This decline is largely because of a rise from 11 to 19 per cent in the number saying that Britain should join military action against Iraq regardless of whether there is a new UN resolution.

And:

However, Mr Blair’s leader rating has improved over the past month and he is now ahead of both the other main party leaders. This reflects increased support both from Labour and, particularly, from Tory voters.

Blair is being set up by the pollsters. And this outfit is left wing. Don't help them.

Regards, Ivan

12 posted on 03/11/2003 4:05:58 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: TLBSHOW
We all appear to be backing off rather quickly as well...
13 posted on 03/11/2003 4:07:00 PM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (guess we are not going in after all... the "bush 350 thousand man bluff" did not fool sadaam.)
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To: OldFriend
Great point!
14 posted on 03/11/2003 4:07:52 PM PST by Russell Scott ((Saddam, beware the Ides of March))
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To: MadIvan
what paper there is alright if any?
15 posted on 03/11/2003 4:07:59 PM PST by TLBSHOW (The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate......)
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To: dinok
So much for Tony's Churchillian stature.

Don't give up on Tony yet, he has done a good job standing by our side

17 posted on 03/11/2003 4:08:53 PM PST by Mo1 (RALLY FOR AMERICA - VALLEY FORGE,PA MARCH 16, 2003 1:00 PM)
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To: MadIvan
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!

I for one am SICK AND TIRED of all this hysterical hand wringing over EVERY SINGLE LITTLE report that passes the newswire...

...this will happen, it will be successful..and EVERYONE Iraqi's, Americans, and the BRITS will all be the better for it.
18 posted on 03/11/2003 4:09:10 PM PST by Neets (waddayanuts???)
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To: MadIvan
Ivan,

Thank you!
19 posted on 03/11/2003 4:09:40 PM PST by CathyRyan
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To: MadIvan
I hope if there is no 18th UN resolution Great Britain is with us when we go to war.
20 posted on 03/11/2003 4:09:43 PM PST by MEG33
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