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GOP bill draws teachers' anger
Orlando Sentinel ^

Posted on 03/12/2003 1:19:17 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: ImpBill
"Get unions out of the pac game. If members wish to endorse or donate money to a candidate, no one is stopping them."

Actually, the problem is that the unions are engaging in PAC activities without actually forming a voluntary PAC. Nobody is stifling their free speech, just telling them that they can't use coerced union dues to fund such.

Getting unions to actually FORM PAC's funded by voluntary contributions would be a good thing..

51 posted on 03/12/2003 5:51:34 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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summer

I didn't see where you had weighed in on this one, but it looks like something that would interest you!

52 posted on 03/12/2003 5:59:26 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Didn't the USSC ('90s) rule teachers' union could not force a teacher to support a pol. & recieve the rebate in dues (PAC fees).
53 posted on 03/12/2003 6:09:56 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The GOP should push to privatize the public school system. More money than ever is being paid to the public school system to indoctrinize our children to be a generation of sociaists.

This has to be stopped. The only answer I can think of is privatization. It could be back by the government by our tax dollars as it is now, with less money and less left slant

54 posted on 03/12/2003 6:14:37 AM PST by auggy
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To: skinkinthegrass; auggy; All
I guess the money they were taking for collective bargaining was still finding it's way to candidates.

According to this site, they can opt out in Washington state. It's not a very useful site but there is an interesting article describing how the NEA was slapped with an $800,000 fine for misappropriation union dues.

55 posted on 03/12/2003 6:30:51 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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Private Choice in Practice - Washington, D.C. officials send their kids to private schools but shoot down school choice for everyone else. - By Casey Lartigue (Published 3/12/2003 12:03:00 AM ) [Full Text At the beginning of the 1993-94 school year, D.C. Council member Kevin Chavous enrolled his 9-year-old son in Holy Trinity, a Jesuit-run parish school. Chavous explained to the Washington Times that his son "needed extra attention" as a result of his "starting to act up" in public school. The paper reported that Chavous was unapologetic about the move because he saw a change for the better almost immediately: "You have to do what is best for your children," Chavous said.

There aren't many people who would disagree with that decision. As a wealthy parent (in 1993, Chavous was already earning nearly $150,000 a year as a lawyer), Chavous had the means to pay for private schooling. Too bad that he and other D.C. Council members who oppose school choice for their less well-to-do neighbors don't preach what they practice.

A survey I recently conducted of D.C. City Council members (3 of the 13 members did not respond) shows that many of them send their children to private schools. Only Carol Schwartz has children who have graduated from D.C. public schools. Five (Chavous, Sandy Allen, Harold Brazil, Vincent Orange and Kathleen Patterson) currently have children who are either in private school or have graduated from private school. Two members (Adrian Fenty and Phil Mendelson) have toddlers; two do not have children (Jim Graham and David Catania); and three did not respond to my calls and e-mails (Linda Cropp, Jack Evans, Sharon Ambrose).

At the same time, these "public" officials oppose school choice for the District, which would provide parents with the means to send their children to those same private schools -- or wherever they want to see their kids educated. Either way, the children would not be stuck in D.C.-designated educational ghettoes.

Over the next few months, we can expect the members of the City Council to denounce efforts to improve educational choices between charter and public schools. D.C. Council member Fenty, who attended the public schools until he enrolled in a Catholic school to start the 9th grade, is expected as early as tomorrow to introduce a resolution condemning vouchers.

It isn't a new phenomenon for D.C.'s political and educational leaders to fiercely defend the public school system while sending their own kids to private schools. According to a 1977 U.S. News & World Report article, "Representative Walter Fauntroy, a black Democrat who is the District of Columbia's non-voting delegate in Congress, has a child in private school. So does Sterling Tucker, black chairman of the D.C. city council."

District officials who avoid the local public schools have counterparts in Congress. For instance, Heritage Foundation analyst Jennifer Garrett found in 2001 that 47 percent of House members and 51 percent of senators with school-age children sent them to private schools in 2001. Thirty-five percent of Congressional Black Caucus members and 33 percent of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus members sent their children to private school in 2001. Most of their members remain opposed to school choice plans outside of the public school system.

In a commentary published last summer, Chavous wrote: "After overseeing reform efforts in the D.C. Public Schools, I am convinced that our traditional school system is capable of reform -- but incapable of reforming itself. Effective reform has to be radical in nature." Chavous personally engaged in school choice a decade ago. It is time for lower-income parents to have options beyond charters and traditional public schools.

Casey Lartigue is an education policy analyst with the Cato Institute.

56 posted on 03/12/2003 6:39:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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Maureen Dinnen(pink)

Accidental Humor or is she really a communist?

57 posted on 03/12/2003 7:31:31 AM PST by gas_dr
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Did the Sinkmaster sign an Excu. Order to stop Rhinos' JD from excuting the USSC in '94 ?
58 posted on 03/12/2003 7:35:10 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"This bill is telling me to shut my mouth," said Maureen Dinnen, president of the teachers union....

No, Ms. Dinnen. You can campaign and speak out in political campaigns all you want to with your own money.

This bill only prohibits your use of other people's money to advance your political views.

As a physician, I get a yearly bill from my State Medical Society that is mandatory for membership and pays for Society activities outside of politics. A separate bill is sent for voluntary contributions to the Society Political Action Committtee and only those funds may be used for political campaigning.

Ms. Dinnen, like most Democrats, finds it difficult to tell the difference between "your money" and "her money".

59 posted on 03/12/2003 7:50:46 AM PST by Polybius
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To: skinkinthegrass
When did the Democrats think they had to obey laws. Oh no! We need NEW laws.
60 posted on 03/12/2003 12:58:42 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Polybius
Ms. Dinnen, like most Democrats, finds it difficult to tell the difference between "your money" and "her money".

Yes. And they won't be happy until it is ALL their money.

61 posted on 03/12/2003 1:00:00 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"We voted to support candidates who were chosen based on their educational positions. "

I am a teacher and I can categorically say that statement is pure bull$hit.

62 posted on 03/12/2003 1:06:12 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"This bill is telling me to shut my mouth," said Maureen Dinnen, president of the teachers union, who was visibly shaking with anger after the vote. "We voted to support candidates who were chosen based on their educational positions."

Simmer down, goober. You can still donate all the cash you want to whatever politician you favor . . . just not other people's.
63 posted on 03/12/2003 1:07:47 PM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I forgot, laws are for 'the little people'...liberals can't be expected to obey the laws, thank the Clintons & the DNC for that..."some animals, are more than equal"...Animal Farm
64 posted on 03/12/2003 1:15:00 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because your paranoid,doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :)
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