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GOP bill draws teachers' anger
Orlando Sentinel ^

Posted on 03/12/2003 1:19:17 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

TALLAHASSEE -- Florida's teachers union is getting a taste of political payback.

After bankrolling the unsuccessful gubernatorial bid of Democrat Bill McBride last year, the Florida Education Association is coming under attack by some Republican legislators because dues paid by its members help run political campaigns.

"I do not oppose the choice of people belonging to unions," said Sen. Mike Fasano, R-New Port Richey. "But teachers came to me with complaints of their money being spent to support candidates they didn't support."

The GOP-dominated Senate Governmental Oversight and Productivity Committee on Tuesday approved Fasano's proposal (SB 1652) to limit payroll deductions only for the cost of collective bargaining and grievance adjustment. The committee split along party lines, with six Republicans supporting the measure and three Democrats opposing it.

"This bill is telling me to shut my mouth," said Maureen Dinnen, president of the teachers union, who was visibly shaking with anger after the vote. "We voted to support candidates who were chosen based on their educational positions. "

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TEACHERS BACK GORE WITH MONEY, MUSCLE
1 posted on 03/12/2003 1:19:17 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Nany Nany Poo Poo.
2 posted on 03/12/2003 1:23:04 AM PST by noutopia
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Good. Its time to send the GOP's enemies a message that they can't fund political campaigns with taxpayer dollars. No wonder it sticks up the craw of the Florida teachers' unions. That should neuter em big time.
3 posted on 03/12/2003 1:24:14 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop; noutopia
That should neuter em big time.

It's a help. They'll still man the phones in "get out the vote" and campaign in our classrooms.

4 posted on 03/12/2003 1:28:41 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
President Maureen Dinnen's remarks before the Senate Governmental Oversight and Productivity Committee --

3.11.03

Posted March 11, 2003 - 03:14 PM

http://www.feaweb.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2430




SPECIAL LEGISLATIVE ALERT!
Lawmakers have introduced a "paycheck deception" bill that targets only the teachers and would severely restrict their ability to collecting dues through paycheck deduction. Here's what you can do to take action!


Paycheck Deception is Back and We Can Stop it!

On Tuesday, the Senate Governmental Oversight and Productivity Committee is scheduled to hear a new incarnation of Paycheck Deception.

Senate Bill 1652 by Sen. Mike Fasano, R-New Port Richey, targets only the teachers and would severely restrict their ability to collecting dues through paycheck deduction. The bill would also prohibit the use of dues collected for any political purposes including legislative research and lobbying and would greatly increase current reporting requirements and fees.

Proponents are blaming the teachers union for the teacher shortage crisis and are claiming that unions violate people's first amendment rights!

This bill is nothing but political retribution for union activity in the last election. Supporters have stated that these measures should eventually be imposed on all unions!

This legislation is illegal, unfair and absolutely unnecessary:

* Florida is a right-to-work state meaning union membership is absolutely positively voluntary. Union dues are deducted from paychecks because people want them to be.

* Unions operate democratically, if their members vote to use money for political activities it is their right to do so.

* The bill only applies to our teachers, raising U.S. Constitutional questions of "equal protection."

CALL, FAX, OR EMAIL THESE SENATORS TODAY - ASK THEM TO OPPOSE THIS BAD BILL
WHO: Senate Governmental Oversight and Productivity Committee
WHAT: SB 1652 by Sen. Mike Fasano, R-New Port Richey
WHEN: 9 a.m., Tuesday, March 11, 2003
WHERE: 110 Senate Office Building

Bill Sponsor
SEN. MIKE FASANO, R-NEW PORT RICHEY
E-mail: fasano.mike.web@flsenate.gov
Capitol Phone: 850.487.5062 Statewide Phone: 1.800.948.5885

Bill Co-sponsor
SEN. NANCY ARGENZIANO, R-CRYSTAL RIVER
E-mail: argenziano.nancy.web@flsenate.gov
Capitol Phone: 850.487.5017

Bill Co-sponsor
SEN. CHARLIE CLARY, R-DESTIN
E-mail: clary.charlie.web@flsenate.gov
Capitol Phone: 850.487.5009

Senate Governmental Oversight and Productivity Committee
Committee Chairman
SEN. STEVE WISE, R-JACKSONVILLE
E-mail: wise.stephen.web@flsenate.gov
Capitol Phone: 850.487.5027

Committee Vice Chairman
SEN. LES MILLER, D-TAMPA
E-mail: miller.lesley.web@flsenate.gov
Capitol Phone: 850.487.5059/ FAX: 888.263.7871

SEN. DAVE ARONBERG, D-GREENACRES
E-mail: aronberg.dave.web@flsenate.gov
Capitol Phone: 850.487.5356/ Statewide Phone: 1.800.444.9747

SEN. JEFF ATWATER, R-NORTH PALM BEACH
E-mail: atwater.jeffrey.web@flsenate.gov
Capitol Phone: 850.487.5100

SEN. ANNA COWIN, R-LEESBURG
E-mail: cowin.anna.web@flsenate.gov
Capitol Phone: 850.487.5014

SEN. LEE CONSTATINE, R-ALTAMONTE SPRINGS
E-mail: constantine.lee.web@flsenate.gov
Capitol Phone: 850.487.5050

SEN. AL LAWSON, D-TALLAHASSEE
E-mail: lawson.alfred.web@flsenate.gov
Capitol Phone: 850.487.5004

SEN. BILL POSEY, R-ROCKLEDGE
E-mail: posey.bill.web@flsenate.gov
Capitol Phone: 850.487.5053


5 posted on 03/12/2003 1:29:32 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If only the pubbies in DC were this sane. DEFUND THE LEFT! DEFUND THE ENEMIES OF OUR NATION!
6 posted on 03/12/2003 1:32:28 AM PST by friendly
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To: kcvl
I don't think anyone can shut her mouth. Too bad she's involved in education. People like this have destroyed public education and in my opinion, endangered the country.
7 posted on 03/12/2003 1:33:45 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: friendly
If only the pubbies in DC were this sane.

We need a bigger majority.

8 posted on 03/12/2003 1:34:23 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I thought the campaign reform legislation signed last year eliminated soft money contributions from corporations and union dues. Don't tell me unions were left out of the legislation?
9 posted on 03/12/2003 1:35:05 AM PST by majordivit
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of people trying to brainwash our kids.
10 posted on 03/12/2003 1:35:24 AM PST by aynrandfreak
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To: friendly
She was so angry she was SHAKING...roflol

Maureen Dinnen(pink), Elaine Bloom, Barbara Pippin, Tom Green

11 posted on 03/12/2003 1:35:51 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Having their power, influence and money(ours) taken away will sometimes make people SHAKE. lol
12 posted on 03/12/2003 1:37:51 AM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl
Sen. Les Miller, D-Tampa, called the bill discriminatory and likened it to the bias he has felt as a black man.

So they're both full of crap.

13 posted on 03/12/2003 1:48:02 AM PST by paul544 (Wow, it does work.)
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To: kcvl
Maureen Dinnen(pink), Elaine Bloom, Barbara Pippin, Tom Green

Floriduh public school teachers unions provide incredibly bad educational services. It is well known that if you move to Floriduh, you must send yours kids to private school.

I will bet the farm that this rogue's gallery of leftist vermin sent/sends all their kids to private school. As do an astonishing number of public school teachers in the rest of the US. Here in NY its 40%.

14 posted on 03/12/2003 1:48:24 AM PST by friendly
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
To quote from Jaws: "we need a bigger boat."
15 posted on 03/12/2003 1:49:46 AM PST by friendly
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To: paul544
Miller's Email: miller.lesley.web@leg.state.fl.us
Miller's Phone: (813) 272-2831
Miller's Fax: FAX (813) 272-2833
16 posted on 03/12/2003 1:54:28 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The article said that 2 million out of their 17 million budget went to fund the campaign. That is above 11.76% of their total budget. How can anyone blow that much out of their budget. Bill McBride couldn't give them anything more than they already had. He could just help maintain the status quo. That's a lot of money to pay in order to stay the same way as one already happens to be. Someone was quoted as saying they contributed to the candidates who thought the same way as they did about education. Teachers unions have never been, and are not now about education. They are about teachers positions and jobs.
17 posted on 03/12/2003 2:06:47 AM PST by political1
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"This bill is telling me to shut my mouth," said Maureen Dinnen, president of the teachers union, who was visibly shaking with anger after the vote.

From what I read it's not telling her to shut her mouth, it's telling her to not use dues money to back any political candidate.
Not all the people paying dues want to back the same candidate.

18 posted on 03/12/2003 2:06:49 AM PST by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: political1; All
They are about teachers positions and jobs.

And that goes hand and glove with the DNC and Democrat legislation. Of course many teachers and politicians don't send their children into these schools.

Dozens of schools accepted with flaws - $Billions down public education rat-hole

19 posted on 03/12/2003 2:14:27 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: aynrandfreak; All
Boston Globe - Student suspensions leap in state *** Under the most recent figures, the rate of student removals has risen slightly to 1.6 students suspended or expelled per 1,000 children. The year before, it was 1.5 students. Still, that small an increase in the rate of suspension for the almost 980,000 students in schools across the state translates into the double-digit jump in percentage of suspensions.

Educators and psychologists yesterday said the increase in disruptive students being removed reflects several factors, ranging from schools not meeting students' needs to a breakdown in classroom respect, to lingering effects from the fatal Columbine High School shootings.***

20 posted on 03/12/2003 2:54:59 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: All
What the unions would really like to see.

Boston Globe: Cuba's lessons on caring for children ***But the notion that children and education are of primary concern to Cuba was said often enough by enough people within and outside the government that it made us think that Boston, and indeed the United States, could learn much from this island of scarce resources. If Cuba, where per capita GDP hovers at $1,700, has universal preschool, isn't that something the wealthiest country in the world could do for its children and families?

……Our relations with Cuba will inevitably be normalized in due course, and we, too, will find economic opportunities in this well-educated, healthy society of 11 million. Yet the question is, will Cuba be able to maintain its commitment to children, their education, and their health as this economic activity builds and a growing dollar economy, existing side by side with a peso economy, creates disparities in wealth?

Let's hope it can and that as more Americans visit Cuba's shores, we can learn something from the Cubans - about how to raise our kids here, how to instill in them self-respect and cultural pride, and how to give all of them a chance to be happy, creative, and productive adults.***

21 posted on 03/12/2003 2:58:33 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Take away union dues politicking and the Democrat Party would shrivel. One more small-but-current example: here in D.C. -- perhaps elsewhere as well, but I don't know about that -- there has a recent radio ad campaign featuring Sandra Feldman of the AFT. The ad says America has a serious healthcare crisis, that "we don't have the answers to all the tough questions," but that America surely can't afford a tax cut before everybody gets health insurance.

Now, we can debate health care policy until the cows come home. The point is, this was a pure anti-tax cut ad -- remember, Sandra gives no opinion on what to do about health care -- and I'd bet the farm it was paid for by union dues, not union PAC money (which would be ok because PAC money consists of voluntary contributions). Par for the course.

22 posted on 03/12/2003 3:15:56 AM PST by sphinx
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The union spent about $2 million out of its $17 million budget on the campaign.

"The state will be spending money to defend this bill if it becomes law and that's money that could well be put into education instead," [Sen. Les Miller, D-Tampa] said.

Physician, heal thyself.

23 posted on 03/12/2003 3:28:56 AM PST by Grit (Tolerance for all but the intolerant...and those who tolerate intolerance etc etc)
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To: sphinx
Yes, I've heard that ad running in the Maryland/D.C. area.

More on D.C. teachers' union.

Union Local Loses Control Of Operations*** Appalled by official reports of mink coats, Tiffany silver, and a Bahamas vacation bought with at least $5 million in dues allegedly embezzled from Washington teachers by local union leaders, the American Federation of Teachers took over its affiliate in the nation's capital last week. ***

24 posted on 03/12/2003 4:08:44 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: sphinx
I'd bet the farm it was paid for by union dues, not union PAC money

With the current scandal in the use of union funds it's a wonder they had any money to spend. It was a virtual honeypot for political hacks.

OB
25 posted on 03/12/2003 4:13:25 AM PST by OBone (Support our boys in uniform)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I got an email back from Mike...

My email said,

Subject: Paycheck protection...

"Thank you! Hang in there and keep these teacher's unions honest."

His email said,

"Thanks, XXXXXX.

God bless.

Mike


They need some moral support!


Bill Sponsor
SEN. MIKE FASANO, R-NEW PORT RICHEY
E-mail: fasano.mike.web@flsenate.gov
Capitol Phone: 850.487.5062 Statewide Phone: 1.800.948.5885

26 posted on 03/12/2003 4:35:06 AM PST by kcvl
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
if the teachers hate the bill it's good for the country
27 posted on 03/12/2003 4:36:13 AM PST by The Wizard (Demonrats are enemies of America)
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To: kcvl; The Wizard; All
Bump!
28 posted on 03/12/2003 4:43:31 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: paul544
{Sen. Les Miller, D-Tampa, called the bill discriminatory and likened it to the bias he has felt as a black man. }

Typical RAT playbook tactics. When all else fails, they play the race card.
29 posted on 03/12/2003 4:45:54 AM PST by Kuksool
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Excellent. Get unions out of the pac game. If members wish to endorse or donate money to a candidate, no one is stopping them. What the shrew at the FEA doesn't like is that she can no longer dictate, steal, and donate other peoples money to the DemocRATs.
30 posted on 03/12/2003 4:47:27 AM PST by ImpBill ("You are either with US or against US!")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"This bill is telling me to shut my mouth," said Maureen Dinnen, president of the teachers union, who was visibly shaking with anger after the vote. "We voted to support candidates who were chosen based on their educational positions. "

Interpretation: "We like getting paid for being incompetent and turning your children's education into a freakin' joke."

31 posted on 03/12/2003 4:49:09 AM PST by trebb
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To: Just another Joe
It's also telling her she can't force teachers who disagree with her politically to fund her mouth. So basically she's the one advocating the repression of free speech. She's arguing for the state to allow her to have compulsory funding of her speech.
32 posted on 03/12/2003 4:52:52 AM PST by mongrel
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*** It's also telling her she can't force teachers who disagree with her politically to fund her mouth. So basically she's the one advocating the repression of free speech. She's arguing for the state to allow her to have compulsory funding of her speech.***

Bump!

33 posted on 03/12/2003 4:57:01 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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"We voted to support candidates who were chosen based on their educational positions.

Using extorted money.

34 posted on 03/12/2003 4:58:51 AM PST by Tom Bombadil
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"This bill is telling me to shut my mouth," said Maureen Dinnen, president of the teachers union, who was visibly shaking with anger after the vote.

It's for the children.

“When school children start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children.”

Al Shanker
Former President
American Federation of Teachers


35 posted on 03/12/2003 5:08:34 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This bill is telling me to shut my mouth," said Maureen Dinnen, president of the teachers union, who was visibly shaking with anger after the vote. "We voted to support candidates who were chosen based on their educational positions. ">>

Big wah!
Teachers unions should not be involved in politics imo. If an individual inside of the union wishes to support a candidate with their own $$, fine. Hey Maureen, how about you at least give your members a choice of where that portion of their dollars will go! If a teacher who wishes to vote republican wants to do so, their funds should be alloted towards that--if they wish not to be involved in politics at all, they should be allowed to opt out that portion or donate it to a charity of their choice. My guess is that Ms. Maureen would like to "shut up" those voices in her union who support republican candidates--she's the usual liberal hypocrit.
36 posted on 03/12/2003 5:09:50 AM PST by glory
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***It's for the children.

“When school children start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children.”***

Spot on!

37 posted on 03/12/2003 5:09:58 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: friendly
I will bet the farm that this rogue's gallery of leftist vermin sent/sends all their kids to private school. As do an astonishing number of public school teachers in the rest of the US.

The national average is twice the rate of parents in general.

38 posted on 03/12/2003 5:10:54 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Let's hope it can and that as more Americans visit Cuba's shores, we can learn something from the Cubans - about how to raise our kids here

As I sit here laughing I'm overwhelmed with the desire to punch whoever said this in the mouth.

39 posted on 03/12/2003 5:13:48 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: glory; All
***For the sake of our students and their teachers, I sincerely hope the legislators will listen to the voters. All these parts are dependent on the other. We can't build half a house. Florida's voters are expecting so much more.*** These are the prepared remarks delivered by FEA President Maureen Dinnen at the start of her February 26 news conference:

I wish voters understood where their tax dollars are going and NOT going.

40 posted on 03/12/2003 5:14:22 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: friendly
ditto that--we moved down to Florida in 82, from Maryland(which was actually a nice school system in the suburbs at that time). The difference was glaring! I was in a pre-algebra class in 6th grade--when we transferred, they didnt offer anything similar until 8th grade and this was in a more affluent neighborhood in florida to boot. Not to mention I heard my first foul word from a student's mouth when we moved to Florida--I kid you not--I got through all of elementary school in Maryland without once hearing a curse out of another child's mouth or sexual innuendo. Sometimes I think that school was like a dream--it was the way school should be. Very innocent and the teachers were all in their 40's and 50's in the 70's, so they were WWII generation and a little younger. Every last one of them was a gem! Every one! Aaah, for the good old days in this regard and we could actually still support public education!
41 posted on 03/12/2003 5:15:57 AM PST by glory
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To: political1
The Teachers union cheated, what they did was to mortgage their HQ in Tallahasee for $2 million. Then they used the proceeds for McBride.

Florida teachers contributions now pay off the mortgage ergo
no political contributions were taken from members dues.

There will be more and more of these types of arangements under Mcauliffe.
42 posted on 03/12/2003 5:16:03 AM PST by ijcr
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To: Aquinasfan
As I sit here laughing I'm overwhelmed with the desire to punch whoever said this in the mouth.

It took three of them to come up with such garbage.

***Larry Fish is chairman, president, and CEO of Citizens Financial Group Inc. Dr. Michael Yogman is a pediatrician in Cambridge. Lou Casagrande is president of the Boston Children's Museum.*** (Figures, huh?)

43 posted on 03/12/2003 5:17:14 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Think it calls more for integrity and moral courage.

Happy to see this happen for any teacher who did not approve of any candidate her/his money was usurped to support.
44 posted on 03/12/2003 5:21:34 AM PST by Spirited
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To: Aquinasfan
No he didn't--well at least he's honest!
45 posted on 03/12/2003 5:23:37 AM PST by glory
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To: Spirited
Bump!
46 posted on 03/12/2003 5:26:54 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
>"This bill is telling me to shut my mouth,"<

Gee dear, what part of campain finance reform don't you like?
47 posted on 03/12/2003 5:28:04 AM PST by G Larry ($10K gifts to John Thune before he announces!)
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To: glory
PS They still used the paddle there when I left too--was not in the Florida schools when we moved--behavior amongst students was vastly different between the two schools and areas.
48 posted on 03/12/2003 5:28:18 AM PST by glory
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To: G Larry
***Gee dear, what part of campain finance reform don't you like? ***

Bump!! LOL

49 posted on 03/12/2003 5:30:37 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It took three of them to come up with such garbage.

I shouldn't be surprised, but the level of stupidity is breathtaking.

50 posted on 03/12/2003 5:34:54 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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