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Fighting talk from a general and the mullah
The Times ^ | March 15, 2003 | Janine di Giovanni and Ian Bruce

Posted on 03/14/2003 4:17:06 PM PST by MadIvan

BENEATH the same harsh desert sun, 300 miles apart, two leaders yesterday rallied their forces for a clash of armies — and of civilisations — that is now just days away.

At a makeshift parade ground in northern Kuwait, Lieutenant-General Jeff Conway told a vast sea of troops that he had supreme faith in their ability and promised that their superior weapons, greater striking power and longer reach would prevail.

At almost the same moment Sheikh Abdul-Razzaq Saadi was exhorting thousands of the faithful in Baghdad’s Mother of all Battles Mosque. “Oh God, strike the oppressors,” he cried. “Oh God, please shoot down their planes, sink their ships. Oh God, please make the infidels and aggressors drown. Oh God, make Bush and Blair drown. It is the duty of Muslims today, Iraqis and others, to threaten American interests wherever they are, to set them on fire and to sink their ships. This is jihad in the name of God.”

In Kuwait the rows of ochre tanks, heavy artillery and attack helicopters that provided the backdrop for General Conway’s call to arms bore testimony to the coalition’s vast military superiority.

The general — an American — told UK Desert Rats how 225 years ago the cry “The British are coming” was used to frighten children. Now, standing shoulder-to-shoulder with their US comrades, that cry was music to American ears.

But the Iraqis evidently believe that pride, passion and trust in Allah can compensate for what they lack in military hardware. They poured to the enormous mosque for what were likely to be the last Friday prayers before the war — old men in pale grey dish-dashes, angry young men, silent women in black abayas, agitated children.

In his fiery hour-long sermon Sheikh Saadi urged even the women to fight the invaders. “Satans Bush and Blair, we will not welcome you,” he said. “We will kill you when you step inside Iraq. This will be a cemetery for British and American troops.” He, too, invoked Britain’s colonial history. “In the 1920 revolution, we thwarted the British with our sticks. Now we will kill them with knives and swords and everything that we can use.”

Definitions of victory and defeat are, of course, subjective. The mosque was built to commemorate Iraq’s “victory” in the 1991 Gulf War. The four inner minarets resemble Scud missiles sitting on launch pads, 43m (141ft) high to mark 43 days of fighting. The four outer minarets resemble Kalashnikov rifles. Its prized possession is a Koran written in President Saddam Hussein’s blood.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: blair; bush; embeddedreport; embeddedrpt; iraq; jimconway; saddam; uk; ukembeddedreport; us
Funny, and we keep hearing how "secular" Saddam's regime is supposed to be.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 03/14/2003 4:17:07 PM PST by MadIvan
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2 posted on 03/14/2003 4:17:27 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: MadIvan
At almost the same moment Sheikh Abdul-Razzaq Saadi was exhorting thousands of the faithful in Baghdad’s Mother of all Battles Mosque...

Is that anything like Paris' Cathedral of Our Lady of Perpetual Defeat?

3 posted on 03/14/2003 4:21:32 PM PST by MarineDad
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To: MadIvan
Satans Bush and Blair, we will not welcome you,” he said. “We will kill you when you step inside Iraq. This will be a cemetery for British and American troops.” He, too, invoked Britain’s colonial history. “In the 1920 revolution, we thwarted the British with our sticks. Now we will kill them with knives and swords and everything that we can use.”

Arab Muslims are always great as inflammatory blowhards. The strangest thing is that they're never embarrassed afterward. There's no self-examination.

4 posted on 03/14/2003 4:23:53 PM PST by xJones (qis)
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To: MarineDad
Is that anything like Paris' Cathedral of Our Lady of Perpetual Defeat?

LOL! But the French are currently nose-leading the Germans. After having been beaten by Germans starting in 1870, that is an interesting turn of events.

5 posted on 03/14/2003 4:29:42 PM PST by xJones (qis)
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To: MadIvan
For a good and concise set of reasons as to why Arabs always lose wars (no, it isn't just the French training) check this page.
6 posted on 03/14/2003 5:26:44 PM PST by 11B3 (.308 holes make invisible souls. Belt fed liberal eraser.)
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Thanks for the link. I've read other threads that discuss this also, but dang if I can remember the titles.
7 posted on 03/14/2003 7:19:57 PM PST by xJones (qis)
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To: MadIvan
"It is the duty of Muslims today, Iraqis and others, to threaten American interests wherever they are"

CAIR would like to remind you that Islam does not condone terrorism.

8 posted on 03/14/2003 8:11:03 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Wheat is Murder! (Tilling slaughters worms.....))
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To: Brad Cloven
re Post No.8: "CAIR would like to remind you that Islam does not condone terrorism."

ISLAM ONLINE.net - Fatwa Application: "JIHAD TO DEFEND IRAQ: AL-AZHAR'S VIEW" (March 11, 2003)
http://www.islamonline.net/fatwaapplication/english/display.asp?hFatwaID=94227
9 posted on 03/14/2003 9:36:45 PM PST by Cindy
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10 posted on 03/14/2003 9:38:53 PM PST by Cindy
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To: MadIvan
“In the 1920 revolution, we thwarted the British with our sticks. Now we will kill them with knives and swords and everything that we can use.”

A word to the wise. Never bring knives and swords to a gunfight. A REALLY, REALLY BIG gunfight.

11 posted on 03/14/2003 9:45:20 PM PST by Mark17
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To: MadIvan
I hope we have a few bombs for the Mother of all Battles Mosque.
12 posted on 03/14/2003 9:49:11 PM PST by SeeRushToldU_So ( Something witty, etc, etc....)
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