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In New Jersey, a Muslim-Dominated Town Weighs in On War
FOX News ^ | Monday, March 17, 2003 | Liza Porteus, Fox News

Posted on 03/18/2003 6:17:52 AM PST by Motherhood IS a career

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:35:47 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PATERSON, N.J. — As the threat of imminent war looms over Iraq, Middle Eastern immigrants and Americans of Middle Eastern heritage in this New Jersey town continue to hope that President Bush can somehow steer clear of using military force.


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"If Saddam Hussein submits himself … will that be the end of our Sept. 11 problem?" asked Goldsmith.

No, but it will be a good step in the right direction.

"We have to start and finish something — we haven't finished anything yet," said Timucin Karca, who was born in the United States but raised in Turkey.

Ever hear of "multi-tasking?"

1 posted on 03/18/2003 6:17:52 AM PST by Motherhood IS a career
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To: Motherhood IS a career
"It's nothing but oil, it's nothing but money," said Rebhi Abedrabbo, a bakery owner. "I feel like the whole U.S. foreign diplomacy is all wrong … you cannot force democracy on other people."

Oh and what are you doing? You came here to this country to be free and enjoy your pursuit of happiness and open a Bakery! How dare you talk about it being all about money! Its amazing how many people who don't want their fellow muslims in other countries to be free and happy but only they can! Getting mighty selfish aren't you?

2 posted on 03/18/2003 6:21:19 AM PST by areafiftyone (The U.N. is now officially irrelevant! The building is for Sale!!!)
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To: Motherhood IS a career
That's the absolute fallacy of the "We should concentrate on Al-Qaeda first" argument. Does anyone really think we're going to ever be able to say "We've captured every Al-Qaeda terrorist, the war's over"! No, that's not going to happen, so we try to do several things at once.
3 posted on 03/18/2003 6:23:05 AM PST by Mr.Clark (From the darkness....I shall come)
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To: firebrand; nutmeg; rmlew; Cacique; Dutchy; StarFan; Coleus; Clemenza; RaceBannon; ...
ping.
4 posted on 03/18/2003 6:23:29 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: areafiftyone
You can prove your patriotism by policing your own community.
5 posted on 03/18/2003 6:23:44 AM PST by aviator
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To: areafiftyone
From listening to these morons, you would think that there isn't enough freedom to go around.
6 posted on 03/18/2003 6:27:28 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Motherhood IS a career
We keep hearing about this "fear of oppression" that these people say they have, but I have seen little evidence of it.

Oh, sure, there may be some isolated instance where some redneck with beer for courage may have hassled someone who spoke with an accent and had a dark complexion, but that sort of thing is going to happen from time to time.

But there is not "oppression," official or otherwise, that any of these people can point to. I have seen where ACLU and other such orgs have tried to document "hate crimes" against Muslims, but all they seem to be able to come up with are things like Muslim women asked to remove their headscarves to be searched at an airport entry.

I'm tired of hearing all the whining from the potentially "oppressed." I suggest that if they want a better definition of "oppression of Muslims," they look at what has happened to the Shi'ites and Kurds in Iraq. THAT'S oppression.
7 posted on 03/18/2003 6:28:03 AM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: Motherhood IS a career
Some of these twits read like a character from the Phil Hendrie radio show . Unbelievable !
8 posted on 03/18/2003 6:31:15 AM PST by Ben Bolt
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To: Motherhood IS a career
I don't give a flip what they think. Especially since they've only lived here a few years. I also discount the opinions of Muslims who become US citizens. My opinion has more weight since my people have been here since 1902. I have more invested in the USA.
9 posted on 03/18/2003 6:31:28 AM PST by dennisw ( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
They should be happy that we want to free the people of Iraq and let them live in happiness. For some reason these Muslim Americans need a lesson in American History and American Values!
10 posted on 03/18/2003 6:32:00 AM PST by areafiftyone (The U.N. is now officially irrelevant! The building is for Sale!!!)
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To: dennisw
But we're all immigrants! /sarcasm.

Every nation is a nation of immigrants, depending on when you draw the 'here before' line.
11 posted on 03/18/2003 6:32:19 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Motherhood IS a career
I can't tell you how thrilled I am to live five miles from Paterson.

I really can't tell you.

12 posted on 03/18/2003 6:33:09 AM PST by dead
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"We are in disagreement of any kind of war that will hurt innocent people"

Well no $h%T!!!!! I wasn't aware there was anyone who was in agreement with innocent people being hurt!!!
13 posted on 03/18/2003 6:34:27 AM PST by Ga Rob ("Consensus is the ABSENCE of Leadership" The Iron Lady)
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To: Motherhood IS a career
I'm tired of the bleeting of these fresh off the boat immigrants. Start bitching after you've been in the USA for a few generations.

Until then just consider yourself lucky to have wormed your way into the USA. Out of the Islamic pesthole that spawned you.
14 posted on 03/18/2003 6:34:44 AM PST by dennisw ( http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php)
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To: dead
Me either D....Me Either...
15 posted on 03/18/2003 6:39:53 AM PST by hobbes1
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To: dennisw
I'm tired of the bleeting of these fresh off the boat immigrants.

Actually, many of these people are American-born. But that's not the point. Anti-war sympathizers are everywhere, even among descendents of those who came over on the Mayflower.

The point is, regardless of where they came from, where is their allegiance now? Here or there? And why?

Seems to me that these folks, in this community, more than anywhere else, should be expressing their patriotism and loyalty to the United States, for reasons too many and too obvious to mention.

16 posted on 03/18/2003 6:47:23 AM PST by Motherhood IS a career
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To: dead
Hey, I went to Paterson once for work. I went into this furniture manufacturer who was from the middle east. This factory had about 300 employees. It was real strange. There were about 4 cars in the parking lot. When I went inside, all of them were ME. No one spoke english. When I asked the owner where are the cars of these people, he told me they were brought in from NY. I couldn't believe all these people were here legally. It seems to me we have a big problem there.
17 posted on 03/18/2003 6:47:30 AM PST by Bulldogs22
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To: Motherhood IS a career
Tell me, "How many of the 15,000 immigrants are US CITIZENS"! Also tell these people about the story of " A FEW BAD APPLES SPOIL THE BUNCH".
If they can't or won't cooperate with AMERICAN LAW, they have a RIGHT to go back to their own COUNTRY.
18 posted on 03/18/2003 6:48:06 AM PST by hdrider (Land of the FREE because of the BRAVE)
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To: Motherhood IS a career
Hyphenated Americans. Gotta love'em.
19 posted on 03/18/2003 6:49:07 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: areafiftyone
"It's nothing but oil, it's nothing but money," said Rebhi Abedrabbo, a bakery owner. "I feel like the whole U.S. foreign diplomacy is all wrong … you cannot force democracy on other people."

The blindingly glaring hypocrisy.

20 posted on 03/18/2003 6:50:51 AM PST by Motherhood IS a career
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To: Motherhood IS a career
A couple of months ago CNN interviewed a Muslim who is affiliated with some Muslim/American integration organization. He was knowlegeable and articulate. Toward the end of the interview the question to him was something like "Do you see Muslim Americans wanting to play a role in fighting the war on terror (paraphrased)? His response was that the response by Muslim Americans regarding this was "sad" in his opinion. He stated that in the work he did he tried to convey to them that "you are an American citizen first", but that Muslim Americans he was in contact with largely thought the WOT was somebody else's problem.

The interview was immediately closed and those statements were edited out of the trascript of the interview on CNN's web site. I checked.

It was one of the most honest responses I've ever seen an Arab give on TV to this issue. And I'm certain it horrified CNN producers.

Prairie
21 posted on 03/18/2003 6:51:59 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Wanted: new bunk buddy. Older guys perfectly OK. Language no issue. Call Jacques C. for details.)
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To: prairiebreeze
One more thing---I've never seen this guy back on CNN since.

Prairie --I don't get FNC -- we all have our crosses to bear :^)
22 posted on 03/18/2003 6:54:49 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Wanted: new bunk buddy. Older guys perfectly OK. Language no issue. Call Jacques C. for details.)
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To: dead
I feel for you. Isn't Paterson on dump?
23 posted on 03/18/2003 6:57:44 AM PST by fml
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To: Motherhood IS a career
It's nothing but oil, it's nothing but money," said Rebhi Abedrabbo, a bakery owner. "I feel like the whole U.S. foreign diplomacy is all wrong … you cannot force democracy on other people."

POSTER CHILD FOR AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP! And what does this idiot think fires his bakery ovens...sea water?
Gee, I wonder how many bagels he makes a day?
Another HYPOCRITE!
24 posted on 03/18/2003 7:05:05 AM PST by hdrider (Land of the FREE because of the BRAVE)
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To: fml
Yes, Paterson is a dump.

But it's within five miles of some of the most upscale towns in the state - Ridgewood, Allendale, Mahwah, Ho-ho-kus.

My town isn't too swanky, but it's light years ahead of Paterson.

25 posted on 03/18/2003 7:05:06 AM PST by dead
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To: dennisw
I'm tired of the bleeting of these fresh off the boat immigrants.

One more thing... I happen to be an immigrant myself, and I might take your anti-immigrant comments personally, but my guess is that you are more against anti-americans (some of whom may be immigrants) than you are against immigrants.

I do agree that it's particularly hypocritical of people to come to this country and then forget why they're here, forget why it's possible for them to speak their minds freely, why it's possible for them to worship freely, and why it's possible for them to put food on the table as a result of honest work. It is downright shameful.

26 posted on 03/18/2003 7:08:28 AM PST by Motherhood IS a career
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To: Motherhood IS a career
"We have to start and finish something — we haven't finished anything yet," said Timucin Karca, who was born in the United States but raised in Turkey.

This is actually a good point. I do agree with your response re: multi-tasking, but even though I'm involved with multiple projects at work, I still have to show progress in all of them.

27 posted on 03/18/2003 7:16:15 AM PST by RonF
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To: Mr.Clark
That's the absolute fallacy of the "We should concentrate on Al-Qaeda first" argument. Does anyone really think we're going to ever be able to say "We've captured every Al-Qaeda terrorist, the war's over"!

That's one of the fallacies. The other one is that the bulk of our military could be deployed to search for Bin Laden. He's believed to be in a city in Pakistan, in the middle of thousands of civilians. What do tanks, fighter jets, cruise missiles etc. have to do with that? Nothing. We don't have permission from Pakistan to send in tens of thousands of troops anyway. Al Qaeda are caught through intelligence.

28 posted on 03/18/2003 7:18:26 AM PST by lasereye
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To: Motherhood IS a career
"We do not back what some of these more fanatic so-called Muslim people are doing," such as Saddam and bin Laden, Aydin said. "The Muslim community in general is on the same page as the rest of the world … where right is right and wrong is wrong."

Then let the Muslim community in general put pressure on the Pakistani and Afghan natives where Osama is hiding to produce him, and to stop the financing of terrorism.

29 posted on 03/18/2003 7:18:56 AM PST by RonF
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"What I see in Palestine and Israel happening is more important than Saddam Hussein. There's enough pressure on him [Saddam] already — he's trying to comply."

BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA ahem. Sorry. I thought that was funny...

30 posted on 03/18/2003 7:21:42 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (FREE THE ARMADILLO FIVE!)
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What I see in Palestine and Israel happening is more important than Saddam Hussein. There's enough pressure on him [Saddam] already — he's trying to comply."

Same old same old. Saddam is trying to be good, Arafat should be allowed his terror. These people will never ever change and will never ever be at peace with anyone at all.

31 posted on 03/18/2003 7:28:11 AM PST by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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"We do not back what some of these more fanatic so-called Muslim people are doing," such as Saddam and bin Laden, Aydin said. "The Muslim community in general is on the same page as the rest of the world … where right is right and wrong is wrong."

MEMO TO MUSLIM COMMUNITY:

It would behoove you to say it OFTEN, and say it LOUD.

32 posted on 03/18/2003 7:44:13 AM PST by F16Fighter (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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"We do not back what some of these more fanatic so-called Muslim people are doing," such as Saddam and bin Laden, Aydin said. "The Muslim community in general is on the same page as the rest of the world (of a billion Muslims...?) … where right is right and wrong is wrong (according to...The Koran?)."

"We have prepared for the unbelievers, whips and chains and blazing fires!" Koran 76:4

33 posted on 03/18/2003 7:46:53 AM PST by Knuckle Sandwich Combo
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To: exit82
ping for news from our old stomping ground.
34 posted on 03/18/2003 7:50:50 AM PST by sonrise57
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To: Cachelot
Yes the 'Sadaam is trying to comply' line is a real knee slapper. Does the interviewee not think that Sadaam has in his power the ability to uttterly comply? There is no 'try.' The idea that the revelation of a few outdated weapons amounts to trying to comply is silly. Only to a person completely mired in middle eastern conspiracy news would this make sense.
35 posted on 03/18/2003 7:52:40 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: Cachelot
>Same old same old. Saddam is trying to be good, Arafat should be allowed his terror.

Wisely, Bush has written Arfat off and has stated that a Pali state cannot be founded with the likes of Arafat.

36 posted on 03/18/2003 7:55:02 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: Motherhood IS a career
Paterson is home to about 15,000 Arab-Americans — people of Lebanese, Jordanian, Palestinian, Circassian and Syrian

Note that none of the respondents to this article were of Iraqi descent. Every American (or Brit) who is of Iraqi descent that I have seen on television are supportive of the war.

During one of the "peace" rallys in London, an Iraqi woman was refused to speak because she was going to tell the truth of the evil of Hussein and the oppression in Iraq. A week ago, I was watching WGN out of Chicago, and the local news had an Iraqi group based in Chicago -- everyone in the group (including a college professor!) was for the war. The basic line that was stated (I believe it was the professor who stated this) "every protester in these peace rallies that we have seen are not from Iraq".

37 posted on 03/18/2003 7:55:33 AM PST by PallMal
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To: Motherhood IS a career
If we keep the gates open and flowing freely we wont have much longer to worry about this.
38 posted on 03/18/2003 7:57:25 AM PST by gunnedah
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To: Motherhood IS a career
Did you notice all the programmed 'left' responses?
39 posted on 03/18/2003 8:05:52 AM PST by Calpernia (http://www.politicsandprotest.org/attack.swf)
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He said the community in Paterson is "easy prey" both for hate crimes and for law enforcement officials targeting Arab-Americans in the aftermath of Sept. 11.

It wouldn't be hard for Middle Eastern terrorists to blend in here, and FBI agents are frequently seen walking the streets of Paterson since the terrorist attacks.

"...will that be the end of our Sept. 11 problem?"

The article fails to mention that MANY OF THE 9/11 HIJACKERS SPENT MOST OF 2001 IN PATERSON.

40 posted on 03/18/2003 8:06:28 AM PST by denydenydeny
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>>>During one of the "peace" rallys in London, an Iraqi woman was refused to speak

YES, I saw that!
41 posted on 03/18/2003 8:06:44 AM PST by Calpernia (http://www.politicsandprotest.org/attack.swf)
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To: denydenydeny
There are still more in Paterson, and a few other locations in NJ.

NJ has become SOOOOO corrupt...too many Pork Barrels.

That is another reason why I'm really nervous.
42 posted on 03/18/2003 8:08:01 AM PST by Calpernia (http://www.politicsandprotest.org/attack.swf)
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To: prairiebreeze
He stated that in the work he did he tried to convey to them that "you are an American citizen first", but that Muslim Americans he was in contact with largely thought the WOT was somebody else's problem.

Ever heard of CAIR? That's the "Council on American Islamic Relations". Apparently "Islamic" and "American" are somehow in opposition to each other. At least in the minds of the folks at CAIR.

43 posted on 03/18/2003 8:12:25 AM PST by ArrogantBustard
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To: denydenydeny
MANY OF THE 9/11 HIJACKERS SPENT MOST OF 2001 IN PATERSON.

They were in Paterson all right, but I think I read that they were in West Paterson, in a Latin American neighborhood, and stayed away from the Moslem neighborhood in downtown Paterson.

They also ate a lot of takeout Chinese food, which is strange for people who claimed to be strict Moslems. I once had a Turkish guest stay with me. He wouldn't eat Chinese food, because it is laced with pork.

44 posted on 03/18/2003 8:14:21 AM PST by aristeides
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To: dead
Hey Dead,
Do you ever go to Jimmy Geez in Haledon? Best wings on the pl;anet.
45 posted on 03/18/2003 8:16:26 AM PST by max epr
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To: Motherhood IS a career; All
PATERSON, N.J.

Ah! YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!

Paterson, New Jersey, founded by Alexander Hamilton at the Great Falls of the Passaic River to be the leading industrial town in his American System of HIGH TARRIFS and American Manufacturing!!!

Home of the original Colt Revolvers that helped secure TEXAS!

Now populated by Muslims, thanks to immigration gone mad!!

Excuse me while I BARF!!!

46 posted on 03/18/2003 8:16:36 AM PST by Lael ("C'mon, George, lets NOT get wobbly in the legs" - Margaret Thatcher to George the First!)
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To: denydenydeny
Remember that many of these folks were literally dancing in the streets on 9-11. And now they're concerned about the war causing a backlash?
47 posted on 03/18/2003 8:19:31 AM PST by max epr
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To: max epr
No, I've never heard of Jimmy Geez. Worth the trip? (I'm about 10 minutes from Haledon.)
48 posted on 03/18/2003 8:25:27 AM PST by dead
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To: Motherhood IS a career
It's worth noting that Paterson is the only place in the U.S. where I've ever seen graffiti scrawled on the sides of detached single-family or multi-family houses.
49 posted on 03/18/2003 8:29:53 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Lael
Tariffs under Hamilton were far from high. He founded the industrial park in Paterson.
50 posted on 03/18/2003 8:39:47 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit ( Its time to trap some RATS)
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