No ... I don't know that. (And I'd thank you to show some modicum of respect for my "Christian Mumbo Jumbo" as you set about defending the Jews on an "anti-semitism" thread.)
Many have argued that it's God's will that the UN and Britain were doing. In the grand scheme of things, if those two considerations are accepted reasons for the creation of Israel, Hitler's horrifying acts still would run a distant second to God's will in my book.
But you are not Jewish, are you? (Or Christian? I don't really know because it's never come up.)
Perhaps you discount God's will in the matter and believe the State of Israel simply was given to the Jews to help make up for the deaths and suffering of countless individuals during a war in which all sorts of folks -- including the mentally deficient, homosexual, Catholic and others were likewise targeted for concentration camps and "Good Deaths", if not also genocide.
It's not that I would discount this at all, Dennis. I understand the "guilt complex" was a factor where certain of those who had appeased Hitler and looked the other way both before and during the war where his efforts at redistributing and reducing entire populations was concerned.
I'm sure that was part of it. As were the intentions of those -- both communist and fascist -- who funded, organized and trained some of the terrorists involved in pressuring folks to "do the right thing" ... or "God's will" as it were.
My problem, of course, with the admixture is the way it makes it look as if God used the Holocaust of all things to effect Zion. This is absolutely unacceptable to me on purely theological as well as logical bases.
While I remain absolutely confident in God's ability to bring forth good from evil, it's likewise true that I believe He is the ONLY who can do so and I balk at the notion that it's the place of men to perform such alchemy in His name.
Given the utterly demonic way Jews have been targeted, slaughtered and hated subsequent to the creation of Israel ... something just doesn't add up, that's all. It's almost as if this Good Act has served to exacerbate and disseminate worldwide what once was the hatred of a madman and his bent regime.
Again, the fact that many key Jews involved on the terrorist end of the Zionist equation were connected so closely with both communists from the CCCP and fascists from Germany leaves me with the recurring nightmare that this was a two-fer trajectory by which they ensured a perpetuity of their hatred of the Jews AND managed to organize the radical arc of Islam the leninists had envisioned based primarily, if not solely, on the common threat and constant burr that was the newly-created State of Israel.
I can't help wondering, in other words.
As you may know, I'm perfectly acquainted with the efficacy of suffering. I'm not sure it counts as much, however, when you bring it upon yourself. There is a decided difference in Hitler's persecution and slaughter of innocents and acts of violence that, while absolutely evil and inexcusable, are themselves partly in retaliation for equally unjust actions.
(I'd forgotten the point of her article ... sorry.)
No ... I don't know that.
I do! So do many others. Even Arabs have complained about Christian Europe thrusting it's "Jewish problem" onto them. Europe's Jews being run out of Europe and into Palestine. This was also going on prior to WW2. All the time I thank and compliment Christians who support Israel. I rarely post on Christian topics here. I must have posted twice to the priest scandal threads. But I speak objectively about WW2 and the crimes against Jews.
(And I'd thank you to show some modicum of respect for my "Christian Mumbo Jumbo" as you set about defending the Jews on an "anti-semitism" thread.)
I've have never understood any of your posts that bring in Christianity. I'm not the only one who finds such posts confusing. But these posts are scarce these days as you hang out at LF. Good night.
Then one could argue that the "two-fer" as you describe it, where socialist, atheist Jews meant the creation of Israel for evil, God also meant for good.
The problem in the Middle East is not just Jews, it is Christians as well, as the destruction of Christian dominated Lebanon shows.
Yes, there is a problem of evil in the Middle East, but its roots lie in the twisted religion of Islam and the literal mental instability that it nurtures in its civilization.
And the problem of evil in Europe derives from the fact that, as a civilization, they have substituted the State for God, and thus have no inclination to wisdom, playing to politics instead of the truth.