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Young U.S. Marines Get First Combat Test
AP | Saturday, March 22, 2003 | By DOUG MELLGREN

Posted on 03/22/2003 11:58:05 AM PST by JohnHuang2

Young U.S. Marines Get First Combat Test

By DOUG MELLGREN .c The Associated Press

SOUTHERN IRAQ (AP) - Lance Cpl. Joseph Willems was approaching one of many bunkers dug into Iraq's desert when he saw the muzzle fire.

``I looked down and saw shots being fired, and I just went 'ooooh,' and jumped back,'' said the 19-year-old Marine from Kenosha, Wis. ``Saw a guy in a blue sweat shirt, and took a hip shot with my saw.''

With his ``saw'' - slang for machine gun - Willems killed the Iraqi soldier in the first action by Echo Company's 1st Platoon of the 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit after it entered Iraq from northern Kuwait on Friday.

``The only time I freaked was when I saw his eyes, and my weapon jammed. I kept backing up and it kept jamming,'' said Willems.

It was early morning. By the end of the day, Echo Company had lost one Marine, killed five Iraqis and taken 400 of them prisoner.

The Marines were clearing an area of bunkers in southern Iraq, near the port of Umm Qasr, after scores of Iraqi soldiers surrendered, many walking toward the Americans in strict military formation under a white flag.

But there were still a few holdouts. The Marines, covering each other, stopped, scrambled and then stopped and scrambled their way to each bunker. There were bursts of gunfire, often rapid machine-gun fire, and the heavy thud of hand grenades.

``It was very eerie,'' said Lt. William Todd Jacobs, 24, of Cincinnati. ``There was smoke everywhere. It's our first time in Iraq, and you see these four guys walking toward you with their hands up. We knew they were surrendering.''

``But then somebody shouts, 'There's two in the hole! There's two in the hole!''' said Jacobs, who led the 1st Platoon.

The Marines reacted immediately, and shot both, then threw in a grenade that blew a plume of sand and black smoke out of the bunker.

``I didn't want to get shot so I shot him first,'' Cpl. Juan B. Elenes, 21, of Portland, Ore. said about two of the Iraqis who refused to give up.

``I saw the top part of his head, so I shot him. And then we shot another in the bunker.''

Death also came to the Marines, when one of their own was shot and killed during the actions. An investigation is pending into how he died.

On Saturday, investigators collected his gear from the squad that found him dead and carried it down the defense lines - his gas mask and helmet, both marked with name, as well as his day pack and weapons.

Marines laying face down in the sand, their weapons pointed over the berm, couldn't help noticing.

``I was OK until I saw one of our own Marines dead. I thought, 'Oh, we can die too,'' said Lance Cpl. Daymond Geer, 20, of Sacramento, Calif. He talked about it while watching Cobra attack helicopters swarm around a target to the north.

Death had been on Geer's mind since he received word just before heading into Iraq from Kuwait that his father had only weeks to live. He was hoping to be sent home in time to see his father, but wanted to stay with his unit for the attack on Iraq.

Geer said he has family back home praying for him, and that he spent an hour praying before his unit joined the invasion.

``I pray whenever I can before doing something crazy,'' he said.

The fighting, he said, ``was totally different than any experience in my life. Even seeing the enemy get shot, well, he was squirming in the dirt. It was not good.

``But I did my job. I actually fought and I helped liberate Iraq.''

His friend and fellow squad member Cpl. Clint Bagley, 21, of Shreveport, La., agreed, and said ``You're shooting. It's not training anymore. It's combat. It's pretty scary. It changes everything.''

Bagley said he had expected more of a fight in southern Iraq. Instead, the surrendering Iraqis were ``like ragged soldiers, not warriors. They were small and ill-prepared.''

Still, he said he would approach a bunker and think, ``I don't know if there are three or thirty, and 'Oh my God, am I going to have to shoot that guy?'''

Elenes, who did kill in action on Friday, said, ``OK. I'm done. I'm ready to go back to Kuwait now.''


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Saturday, March 22, 2003

Quote of the Day by rintense

1 posted on 03/22/2003 11:58:05 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Nineteen and immortal. When he saw a dead American, "I thought, 'Oh, we can die too,'". He's not nineteen anymore.
2 posted on 03/22/2003 12:06:14 PM PST by wretchard
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To: JohnHuang2
With his ``saw'' - slang for machine gun -

Another journalist weenie who can't get it right. SAW = Squad Automatic Weapon. Actual nomenclature is M249 Light Machine Gun.

3 posted on 03/22/2003 12:09:00 PM PST by AlaskaErik
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To: wretchard
It is sad we haqve to teach our young to kill, but it amazes me they learn to do it, do it well, and get over it. Prayers go out to all, along with many thanks.
4 posted on 03/22/2003 12:09:57 PM PST by wastoute
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To: JohnHuang2
>> my weapon jammed. I kept backing up and it kept jamming,'' <<

I wonder how common this is?
5 posted on 03/22/2003 12:10:48 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ;)
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To: JohnHuang2
Saw a guy in a blue sweat shirt, and took a hip shot with my saw.

You fight the way that you train.

Seems to me that these heroes have trained well.

6 posted on 03/22/2003 12:13:14 PM PST by LibKill (The UN is of less use than dog doo in the gutter.)
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To: JohnHuang2
and my weapon jammed. I kept backing up and it kept jamming,

Damnit, lowest bidder again.
7 posted on 03/22/2003 12:13:48 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: JohnHuang2; SMEDLEYBUTLER
The only time I freaked was when I saw his eyes, and my weapon jammed. I kept backing up and it kept jamming,'' said Willems.

This ain't good. With all the technology we have, we should be able to put a good rifle in the hands of the grunt.

If we can't fix the damnable M-16, we should issue a rifle that works. Anybody up for an M-1?

8 posted on 03/22/2003 12:24:52 PM PST by LibKill (The UN is of less use than dog doo in the gutter.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
When I was in, those waepons were notorious for jamming..But, I was a 60 gunner, so maybe I was a bit more bias.
9 posted on 03/22/2003 12:31:08 PM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: unix
Perhaps our military should consider using more dependable equipment-sheesh!
10 posted on 03/22/2003 12:32:40 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ;)
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To: LibKill
The SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon M249) jammed not the M-16. Could be a case of Willems not keeping his weapon clean enough in that environment or a bad belt. He may have dodged a bullet both literally and figuratively.
11 posted on 03/22/2003 12:35:51 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: unix
When I was in, those waepons were notorious for jamming..But, I was a 60 gunner, so maybe I was a bit more bias.

Ah, the M-60.

When well-treated the M-60 was great, spraying death to the enemy.

When poorly-treated the M-60 would jam at will.

Treat your weapons well.

12 posted on 03/22/2003 12:37:10 PM PST by LibKill (The UN is of less use than dog doo in the gutter.)
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Hmmm. Thanks, General. I missed that point.

I did read a very good article in the Marine Gazette a couple of years ago.

The article made a very good case for replacing the SAW with a heavy barrel M-16 and 40-round magazines.

13 posted on 03/22/2003 12:40:01 PM PST by LibKill (The UN is of less use than dog doo in the gutter.)
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To: AlaskaErik
Another journalist weenie who can't get it right. SAW = Squad Automatic Weapon. Actual nomenclature is M249 Light Machine Gun.

It's funniest when they call it the "Minime"

14 posted on 03/22/2003 12:42:17 PM PST by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: wretchard
Nineteen and immortal. When he saw a dead American, "I thought, 'Oh, we can die too,'".

He's not nineteen anymore.

A lot more mature than this idiot...

16 posted on 03/22/2003 12:44:27 PM PST by COBOL2Java
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To: AlaskaErik
The same journalist acts "hip" and refers to a harmonica as a harp and a guitar as an axe.
17 posted on 03/22/2003 12:50:17 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: unix
Every weapon I used in the Corps fired well. M60, SAW, M16, 240. I never really had a problem. Of course I never saw combat either.
18 posted on 03/22/2003 12:57:11 PM PST by Ajnin
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
You can't be so quick to blame, I carried a SAW in GWI and can tell you that in that environment the blowing sand wreaks havoc. It gets into and sticks to the ammo belt links and will cause a perfectly clean weapon to jam after only a few bursts. We had to keep the drum duct taped shut alost until the moment we needed to fire to avoid this.

I'm glad he survived.

19 posted on 03/22/2003 1:06:10 PM PST by SENTINEL
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To: Carney Asada
>>My father carried a BAR in WWII and still insists it was the best combat weapon ever made.<<

The one with the two-legged stand, right? That was one mean rifle.
20 posted on 03/22/2003 1:06:27 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ;)
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